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just to let you know it was a pump gas motor that was in a 3800 challenger with a 509 cam went 11.62 with a tunnel ram whith 600 holleys and again i was taking to herb and he told me that it would be faster with a single four barrel so i went and bought a 850 holley and tryed 2 intakes and the thing would only run 11.80.i am just stating what he told me not cutting on him but at the same time my buddy was going 10.20 with a peice weld on his pan. buy the way oil pans dont make horse power. as far as power goes you guys was all over the indy heads at the time but i remember that ken worked there he had b1 heads on his red daytona.

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Deleting your post only to pm me cussing at me is still classless. Like I said, leave your wise cracks about my father out of this. Thanks to everyone for voting!

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Now that being done with and back on topic, Herb is still the man!

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i have a story for ya

it was 1988 when i was young i was building my 2nd motor and i called down to herbs place and talked to him about a 440. i told him what i was doing and what stuff i had and the first thing he told me to was tape a dollor bill to my moroso oil pan and throw it off the next bridge i crossed and for me to tell everyone i lost a dollor.because they was junk and my motor would not last. so now thats been 22 years ago now the motor has made hundreds of passes at the drag strip pluse thousands of street miles and has been in 2 cars.the motor still runs if he would like to go for a ride.

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Sounds familar,,,,he told me about the same thing on solid rod ends on ladder bars. He said,,"put those solid ends in a vice and cut them in two pieces, throw one end in the river and drive accross the state and throw the other piece in a hollow somewhere,,that way, NOBODY will ever find the two pieces and weld them back together".
Another time in reference to a offset grind stroker crank in a 360,,he said,,"if you use the Chev rods they will break. They are the weak link and I LOVE telling people that. If you use a 'good' steel rod, you won't need bolts for the oil pan,,just weld it on 'cause you won't ever need to be in there again."
Sure do miss talking to Herb!!

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.....similar story back in the day when I called him too on my RB build for my Mirada....guess he had enough of being bothered by young aspiring racers building mopars. No anomosity over it, but a funny story none the less. Funny to see others with the same memory. But to keep it on topic I'll go cast a vote for him.

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I don't fawn over any celebrities & I respect alot of famous racers, so Mr. McCandless easily gets my vote..
Interesting thing---I've been fortunate enough to meet quite a few of the old Mpar "team" racers & they all were friendly, professional & took time to answer my (I'm sure to them) "stupid" questions.
ON THE OTHER HAND, years ago I was at E-town watching a match race when Grumpy was there with his Monza. He was trying to get a jack over to his car to change tires & naturally the crowd was in the way. One rather large guy ignored several requests to move & at one point simply turned around & stared at Grumpy. At that point Grumpy yells at him "Get the F&&k outta the way!". The guy jmped back & he proceeded with his work.
Now I don't care either way if someone curses or not, but from a "professional" standpoint, it WAS a bit much, albeit funny. No wonder Mr. Jenkins has THAT nickname.....

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I think that after quite a few repeated times of telling him move tactfully, that was more of an "attention getter", rather than being RUDE!!
However, the ultimate solution which is DEAD WRONG to do, would be to "tap" him with a tire iron!! I'm not promoting violence! Just stating a "could happen" situation that can materialize!!