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Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: jsswope67] #886229 05/09/12 09:11 PM 05/09/12 09:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	put a light on it & time it at 10-15BTDC initial live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: RapidRobert] #886230 05/09/12 09:34 PM 05/09/12 09:34 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Last I checked it was around 18 BTDC, any less it shut off..but I will check again with light.

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: jsswope67] #886231 05/09/12 09:38 PM 05/09/12 09:38 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	Something dont sound right that it'll die with any less than 18 (If I read you right) live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: RapidRobert] #886232 05/09/12 09:43 PM 05/09/12 09:43 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	When I turned it more counter clockwise, yes it will bog out and not start, 18 was correct, never can see my solid dampener line either

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: jsswope67] #886233 05/09/12 10:49 PM 05/09/12 10:49 PM
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HemiRick master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	After you put it back together did you move any of the wires on the cap to make it run? if so that's why you can't see the line on the damper. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: HemiRick] #886234 05/09/12 11:02 PM 05/09/12 11:02 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Yes, moved them a ton of times, didn't know the wire placement would show the line. #1 wire is now on the tower that is marked 1 with a clockwise arrow. -Thanks any suggestions?

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: jsswope67] #886235 05/09/12 11:10 PM 05/09/12 11:10 PM
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HemiRick master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	For the line to be in the right place, so does #1 plug wire on the distributor need to be in the right place. Most likely you wires are rotated 180 from where there supposed to be on the cap and the distributor is also 180 out. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: HemiRick] #886236 05/09/12 11:48 PM 05/09/12 11:48 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Sequence is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 Just as a thought wires install clockwise? Correct? Small Block I have the wires installed in sequence clockwise, but starting #1 wire on #1 dist tower that has a CC pointing arrow near the one, before the clip facing front of engine. CC for Big Block?

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: HemiRick] #886237 05/10/12 12:17 AM 05/10/12 12:17 AM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Actually I think #1 wire now may be on the tower that is between the 2 that are marked "1" and that have the corresponding directions arrows.

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: RapidRobert] #886238 05/10/12 09:39 AM 05/10/12 09:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,420 A gulag near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,420 A gulag near you.	Quote: put a light on it & time it at 10-15BTDC initial Before giving advice like this a question needs to be asked ... What distributor are you running and what changes to it have you made ? If it is just a stock points or electronic and you have made no changes your first problem is you have way too much intial advance. Stock mopars distributor have 30 - 32 degrees of mechanical advance in them , with almost 20 degrees intial your mechanical is up to 50 degrees , no wonder it's pinging and running like bleep

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: jsswope67] #886239 05/10/12 11:14 AM 05/10/12 11:14 AM
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70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	Quote: Sequence is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 Just as a thought wires install clockwise? Correct? Small Block I have the wires installed in sequence clockwise, but starting #1 wire on #1 dist tower that has a CC pointing arrow near the one, before the clip facing front of engine. CC for Big Block? small block clockwise Big block counter clockwise.. Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: JohnRR] #886240 05/10/12 01:15 PM 05/10/12 01:15 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	It's an out of the box electronic dist, new cap never changed any settings in the dist.

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: 70AARcuda] #886241 05/10/12 01:18 PM 05/10/12 01:18 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	I can try again on the CW tower with the #1 cast mark on the cap, seems I did try that before, numerous times and it did not start. Or slowed the crankshaft down to a drag. I think now that #1 wire is on the CC #1 tower then 8-4-3-6-5-7-2 wired clockwise.

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: jsswope67] #886242 05/10/12 01:24 PM 05/10/12 01:24 PM
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buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	How about putting the wires back to where it would run, then clipping timing light onto the wire that goes directly to the drivers side front cyl. (#1).

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: buildanother] #886243 05/10/12 01:29 PM 05/10/12 01:29 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	It runs now, will start now, will idle now, just heats up after a few miles, pings, shuts off or pings, loses power shuts off. Timing light now would show me around 18degrees, turing the dist either way slightly will shut it off. Any better than that , where would the wiring go? To the #1? CW tower?

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: jsswope67] #886244 05/10/12 01:30 PM 05/10/12 01:30 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,420 A gulag near you.	Quote: It's an out of the box electronic dist, new cap never changed any settings in the dist. How old is it ? You more than likely have too much total advance , that is why it's pinging.

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: JohnRR] #886245 05/10/12 01:31 PM 05/10/12 01:31 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Year and 1/2 old, total advance? What's the setting?

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: JohnRR] #886246 05/10/12 01:39 PM 05/10/12 01:39 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Going to put a light on it now and seeing where it stands again, will report back later. Thanks.

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: JohnRR] #886247 05/10/12 02:02 PM 05/10/12 02:02 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Ok, #1 wire is on the tower just before the front clip going clockwise and the zero mark on the timing cover is showing 15BTDC with a timing light. Started up fine, it's a little cooler outside today about 56 degrees, idles, even backed it up a few feet. I know if I try and drive it, it will ping lose power and bog down.

Re: 318 timing sprocket marks [Re: JohnRR] #886248 05/10/12 02:11 PM 05/10/12 02:11 PM
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jsswope67 member J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 PA	Could it be the carb is running too too lean??

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