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Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884758 12/21/10 07:50 PM 12/21/10 07:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,907 Athens, Greece Pyper70 master
Pyper70 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,907 Athens, Greece	bb74...Are you sure you are sucking in enough air through a single snorkel? Maybe a dual snorkel would get you some better flow? Photobucket wont load up so here is the before shot before I cut it up to fit in my engine bay...Luckily no major slicing...just relocating the carb holes on the base. I guess if my 1/2" phenolic spacers fit then your 1/4" NOS should fit...My heights are pretty good as far as the hood is concerned Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: Pyper70] #884759 12/21/10 07:58 PM 12/21/10 07:58 PM
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bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Pyper, that setup looks sooooo good! The single snorkel is just for looks, the whole back of the air cleaner is open with a heavy screen. I hope it is enough and hasn't seemed to be starving for air. You can see it on the pic with the lid off. You are building a big cube engine? BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884760 12/21/10 08:12 PM 12/21/10 08:12 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,908 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,908 Ontario, Canada	I don't think I'd worry too much about steering geometry but more about what the torsion bars are going to do. Since the rears fit solid in the frame and these line up at the front with the LCA's, lowering the K is going to want to either bend the t-bars or twist them in the LCA bushings. Neither will be good. Put a 7" scoop on it - that'll solve your problem

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: Stanton] #884761 12/21/10 08:22 PM 12/21/10 08:22 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr OP mopar addict
bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Stanton, that is a really big concern for me. I had the same thought about the torsion bars. There is a big contact area where they go into the crossmember and no wriggle room. Good question. Yes, a 7" scoop would work...does anyone make a 1/4" scoop? Just kidding:) BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884762 12/21/10 08:26 PM 12/21/10 08:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,552 Norwich CT USA moparts I Live Here
moparts I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,552 Norwich CT USA	I say yes on dropping the front K member 1/4 inch I have done it with NO problems, All of the steering drops, so nothing there to get messed up The column still lines up, T Bars no problem The only thing that it does change is the ball joint angles a little. Would be a great place to use the tall disc spindles then Tom , 2011 Ram 3500 C&C Diesel 2009 Challenger R/T 1971 Challenger Conv. 511/4 speed 1970 Challenger R/T 503/727

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: moparts] #884763 12/21/10 08:36 PM 12/21/10 08:36 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr OP mopar addict
bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Thank you Tom, that gives me some hope! BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884764 12/21/10 08:44 PM 12/21/10 08:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,907 Athens, Greece Pyper70 master
Pyper70 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,907 Athens, Greece	Quote: Pyper, that setup looks sooooo good! The single snorkel is just for looks, the whole back of the air cleaner is open with a heavy screen. I hope it is enough and hasn't seemed to be starving for air. You can see it on the pic with the lid off. You are building a big cube engine? For now its on a 440 with a mild cam..3.55 and a Gear vendors...eventually building my 505 Stroker...Got all the parts...its just not time...I only have 15k miles on this 440. I see the mesh screen on the rear now...yeah...well...do the 1/4" drop...if something doesn't feel or sound right...take it back the way it was...they are just spacers..as long as you arent welding them in place Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: Pyper70] #884765 12/21/10 08:49 PM 12/21/10 08:49 PM
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bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Thanks for the input Pyper...505 will be a handful of fun! Good luck on the build. I have decided to give it a try, like has been suggested you and others...I can always pull the spacers out. BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884766 12/21/10 09:00 PM 12/21/10 09:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr OP mopar addict
bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	I promise to do another thread/post after I have installed the spacers and tried it out for a while. I will report on the good, bad, or even ugly experience. It is in storage for the winter...live in the midwest. Over the winter I will be changing from a 6AL to a 6AL Plus, 3:23 to 3:91, Sirius radio, and K member SPACERS! BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884767 12/21/10 09:02 PM 12/21/10 09:02 PM
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PC-CHARGER super stock Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 916 MB,CAN	If you are after a stock look, then this isn't much help, but if not, who says the air filter has to be directly on top of the carb. Here's what I did to get around the clearance problem. Still in the mockup stages in these pics but you get the idea. 6370689-HPIM2803.JPG (96 downloads)

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: PC-CHARGER] #884768 12/21/10 09:03 PM 12/21/10 09:03 PM
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PC-CHARGER super stock Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 916 MB,CAN	#2 6370690-HPIM2802.JPG (82 downloads)

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: PC-CHARGER] #884769 12/21/10 09:14 PM 12/21/10 09:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr OP mopar addict
bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Quote: If you are after a stock look, then this isn't much help, but if not, who says the air filter has to be directly on top of the carb. Here's what I did to get around the clearance problem. Still in the mockup stages in these pics but you get the idea. Rick, that looks really clean. It should have plenty of air. Did you make this setup or is it an aftermarket assembly? BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884770 12/21/10 09:18 PM 12/21/10 09:18 PM
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PC-CHARGER super stock Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 916 MB,CAN	It started life as a piece from Spectre but it's been heavily modified by myself and friends. Here's a shot of the original piece. 6370714-HPIM2800.JPG (91 downloads)

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: PC-CHARGER] #884771 12/21/10 09:21 PM 12/21/10 09:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr OP mopar addict
bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Quote: It started life as a piece from Spectre but it's been heavily modified by myself and friends. Here's a shot of the original piece. All I can say is that you are an amazing fabricator, very professional! BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: moparts] #884772 12/21/10 09:24 PM 12/21/10 09:24 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: I say yes on dropping the front K member 1/4 inch I have done it with NO problems, All of the steering drops, so nothing there to get messed up The column still lines up, T Bars no problem The only thing that it does change is the ball joint angles a little. Would be a great place to use the tall disc spindles then And the tall spindles are 5/8" taller... I've seen 3/4" on quite a few cars... No problems.... Those torsion bars have quite a bit of movement in the anchors & even if they didn't last I heard they are spring steel.... Springs are designed to flex....

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884773 12/21/10 09:27 PM 12/21/10 09:27 PM
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PC-CHARGER super stock Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 916 MB,CAN	Thanks. I have a friend who works designing parts and another friend who is a good aluminum welder so between the three of us, we got it done. Just a thought to show that the air filter need not be directly over the carb (or throttle body in my case).

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #884774 12/21/10 09:35 PM 12/21/10 09:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr OP mopar addict
bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Quote: Quote: I say yes on dropping the front K member 1/4 inch I have done it with NO problems, All of the steering drops, so nothing there to get messed up The column still lines up, T Bars no problem The only thing that it does change is the ball joint angles a little. Would be a great place to use the tall disc spindles then And the tall spindles are 5/8" taller... I've seen 3/4" on quite a few cars... No problems.... Those torsion bars have quite a bit of movement in the anchors & even if they didn't last I heard they are spring steel.... Springs are designed to flex.... Hey Randy, are the taller spindles an OEM piece? BigBlock 74 Swinger

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: bb74swngr] #884775 12/21/10 09:45 PM 12/21/10 09:45 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	They are the factory F/J/M body spindles... (Aspens/Miradas/StRegis Etc) "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #884776 12/21/10 09:55 PM 12/21/10 09:55 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: They are the factory F/J/M body spindles... (Aspens/Miradas/StRegis Etc) Try 3/8" taller, not 5/8" They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Can I add spacers between frame and K member? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #884777 12/21/10 10:02 PM 12/21/10 10:02 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri B bb74swngr OP mopar addict
bb74swngr OP mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 799 Missouri	Quote: They are the factory F/J/M body spindles... (Aspens/Miradas/StRegis Etc) Thanks Randy and Steve! I will start looking:) Everything is original (25K miles) on this car and it's time for me to go through the front end anyway. BigBlock 74 Swinger

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