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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
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#883180
12/20/10 01:02 AM
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Steff I just looked up all the available superchargers and they are pretty pricey anyways. Seriously considering selling my 500" Indy headed low deck and starting a 6.1 project, Rick gave me the idea and Steff's photos awhile back were making me drool some. 
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
[Re: ProSport]
#883181
12/20/10 01:46 AM
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I picked up a 5.7 block with all the machine work done for $400. I think the budget conscious will chose the 5.7. Those blocks can be had for $200. That block punched to 400+ with the 09 heads would make a stout package with a reasonable budget.
I think you also have to look at HP per dollar. Let's face it, most eddy/RHS headed 408 combos are done at 500-525HP and with a weaker block. I think the new normal for these stroked hemis with carbs is going to be in the 600HP range.
I just saw another build today with the a 6.1L blocked stroked to 426 that had the 09 RT heads and an EFI street/strip cam in new challenger put down 560 to the tires through an automatic!
10.56 at 125.6, with a 1.43 60 ft.
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
[Re: onebaddakota]
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12/20/10 02:57 AM
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None of the stock pistons are suited for boost. The top ring lands break by looking at them. To consider the fact that a heads/cam/headers/ported intake 6.1 (stock shortblock) can go low 11's to high 10's in a 4000 lb race weight IRS car with all the proper mods, stick it in a 3000-3500lb classic mopar with a chassis you can actually tune and its gonna be quick ! I wish I still had my 6.1 for my Roadrunner  For a stupid fast car, I would run a forged 6.1, 09 5.7 heads worked up by someone who knows them, a 3.6 Kenne Bell and be done. 1200HP @ 20ish PSI with EFI taking care of the rest. It could be done for about $15,000 with the blower (no efi yet) if you shop carefully....
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
[Re: AlexP]
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12/20/10 10:08 AM
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I was there this year and I can tell you first hand that BES's Hemi was easily the class of the field. What makes it even more impressive is that the dyno's are NOT on the HAPPY side in fact just the opposite. The EMC uses the SAE corection factor which further reduces the numbers compared to the more normal STP factor. What's even more amazing is that the fuel was terrible and no where near 91 octane. Tony is the man! J.Rob
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
[Re: AlexP]
#883184
12/20/10 11:11 AM
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None of the stock pistons are suited for boost. The top ring lands break by looking at them.
To consider the fact that a heads/cam/headers/ported intake 6.1 (stock shortblock) can go low 11's to high 10's in a 4000 lb race weight IRS car with all the proper mods, stick it in a 3000-3500lb classic mopar with a chassis you can actually tune and its gonna be quick !
I wish I still had my 6.1 for my Roadrunner
For a stupid fast car, I would run a forged 6.1, 09 5.7 heads worked up by someone who knows them, a 3.6 Kenne Bell and be done. 1200HP @ 20ish PSI with EFI taking care of the rest. It could be done for about $15,000 with the blower (no efi yet) if you shop carefully....
I have notice that a decent amount of people are using the newer 5.7 heads over the 6.1 heads what are the reasons???
I know flow wise the new 5.7 head is close to the 6.1 head, however is it the better chamber design or a cost factor??
If i am not mistaken i would think it would be the cost factor since the new 6.4L is still using the 6.1 head IF the 5.7 was better wouldn't they just use the 5.7 head???
 
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
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#883185
12/20/10 02:34 PM
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And its still a HEMI ( technically )
Meaning, it says so in the ads?
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
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12/20/10 03:55 PM
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And its still a HEMI ( technically )
Meaning, it says so in the ads?
Meaning it has the same chamber shape as the old Hemi, and not the wedge chamber like a Hemi99.
Also it means that it is a small block, not a big block like all the original HEMI's were.
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
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#883188
12/20/10 03:57 PM
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And its still a HEMI ( technically )
Meaning, it says so in the ads?
Meaning it has the same chamber shape as the old Hemi, and not the wedge chamber like a Hemi99.
Also it means that it is a small block, not a big block like all the original HEMI's were.
FYI All of the original HEMI's were of the small block variety... ( Dont forget the Gen 1's!)
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
[Re: fishy340]
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12/20/10 08:03 PM
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my opinion is i would imagine the guys w drag pak chally's have pretty tricked out new hemi,with that being said the fastest one i've seen without a kenne bell super charger was high 10,to me for 90 to 100 grand
You need to get out more. 
The new 6.1 Challengers have been in the high 9's. A 5.7 had run 10.0's and they could have been in the 9's also. But they have more potential as many runs show a low mph.
The "kit" started out at under $40k and racers have put at least that much more into it. But transformation of an old car into a race car and R&D on the faster class top qualifiers can probably be $40k also.
The near $100,000 new Challenger for 2011, that's basically turn-key, is rumored to have run mid-9's in preliminary testing. But that's a Viper engine.
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
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#883191
12/20/10 08:13 PM
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my opinion is i would imagine the guys w drag pak chally's have pretty tricked out new hemi,with that being said the fastest one i've seen without a kenne bell super charger was high 10,to me for 90 to 100 grand
You need to get out more.
The new 6.1 Challengers have been in the high 9's. A 5.7 had run 10.0's and they could have been in the 9's also. But they have more potential as many runs show a low mph.
The "kit" started out at under $40k and racers have put at least that much more into it. But transformation of an old car into a race car and R&D on the faster class top qualifiers can probably be $40k also.
The near $100,000 new Challenger for 2011, that's basically turn-key, is rumored to have run mid-9's in preliminary testing. But that's a Viper engine.
i knew someone would think i was critical of the new hemi's,,,relax! all i was sayin is some big $ guys have those new hemi's! and i havent seen any other then a mr norm,or jegs that has really power wise impressed me..I DO LIKE THE CAR!!!but it should have a little more zip...tiny na small blocks run 10 on pump gas
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
[Re: fishy340]
#883192
12/20/10 08:31 PM
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Well, I didn't look at your post as being "critical", just not up-to-date. Especially since you were a full second off on performance.
While the Drag Packs do have some impressive specs, those engine and weight specs have to be adhered to as a legal Stock classed car. But they haven't reached their full potential under those rules yet. These combos are only a couple of year old.
Pump gas small blocks can run high 10's, but they have no rules limiting how they do it: Strokers, any heads, any cam, etc. There are 340 and 360 Stockers that have run deep in the 10's also. But there is a big difference and a lot more work and money in getting a car to pick up a half a second starting at 10 flat than it is starting at 11 flat.
Basically, as you get faster, each subsequent .10 is more work and expense than the previous.
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
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#883193
12/20/10 08:41 PM
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i have a feeling there's a gen iii hemi in my scamp's future. they're becoming more and more abundant, and they make preposterous power. preposterous, i tell ya. and they're mopar.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP!
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#883194
12/20/10 09:15 PM
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And its still a HEMI ( technically )
Meaning, it says so in the ads?
Meaning it has the same chamber shape as the old Hemi, and not the wedge chamber like a Hemi99.
Also it means that it is a small block, not a big block like all the original HEMI's were.
Sorry, but the originals WERE small blocks!
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