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Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! #883155
12/18/10 04:54 PM
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Did anyone else catch that? Normally I don't pay much attention to EM as it doesn't yield much useful tech, but I was blown away with the power they got out of such a tame combo.
5.7L block stroked to 417CI
Bore: 3.95
stroke: 4.25
compr: 11.3 on 91 octane
heads: 5.7( 2.18 intake/1.60 exhaust)
Intake:drag pack single plane
cam: 235/241 with 648 lift
rockers: Jesel
Accel DFI

No coatings were used. The article dodn't say if these were the 5.7 09 eagle heads or the earlier castings. I bet the're the 09s. The only pricey thing I see is the Jesel setup. But good lord, 700HP@6500/621TQ @5200 on 91 with factory heads and a small hyd roller. It sure put the beat down on God's apparent gift to the SB world: The LS motor.


10.56 at 125.6, with a 1.43 60 ft. E85, Hyd. Roller 410 magnum,full exhaust, 3500 race weight.
Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883156
12/18/10 05:04 PM
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One one hand I am thinking " Wow........pretty cool "
On the other , I am thinking " Where was this stuff when I started buying R-3 and W-9 parts ? "

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883157
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I JUST picked up engine master i didn't see it,is it in stores now?i'm thinkin maybe punjab ali sold me an old 1.

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: fishy340] #883158
12/18/10 07:12 PM
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This is what I was looking for a week ago. Good info!
If you got more info on it, please post it.
Thanks


It's a bigblock with a torque flight!!!
Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: mopar_to_ya] #883159
12/18/10 07:25 PM
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hmmmmmmmmm The Dart likes the sound of this. And its still a HEMI ( technically )

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883160
12/18/10 07:59 PM
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It sure put the beat down on God's apparent gift to the SB world: The LS motor. .....

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: b1596] #883161
12/18/10 11:32 PM
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Rookie here. Has there been tech advances, to allow 500lbs+ off the seat springs in those heads? Isn't that the limiting factor, for a solid roller zoot zoot cam installation? Weren't ovate springs used, as a way around the head clearance issue? They definately are making some power. Finally, wasn't the Westlake dyno reported to be a little "happy"?

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: Leigh] #883162
12/19/10 12:03 AM
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That is pretty stout for a hyd roller... the whole
thing sounds pretty tame and it still made those numbers...
I have heard that their dyno is on the happy side but
they all run on the same stuff...even if its 50hp
high thats still pretty darn good

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: MR_P_BODY] #883163
12/19/10 12:44 AM
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Very Impressive results by BES, but I would hate to see the price tag of that build.

Seemingly, anything Gen III Hemi = Big $$$$

It would be nice if the aftermarket would support these engines more.
Thankfully, this is slowly happening.

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: topbrent] #883164
12/19/10 01:53 AM
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I think they used K1 stuff on the internals. The 09 heads are a heck of a bargain at $600/pair complete. They even come with 16 iridium plugs. Those alone are worth over a $100! I know those flow 300 cfm @600. Porting shows the normal improvements in flow as well. Arrington and another company are in the production phase of rockers that will allow the use of solid rollers.


10.56 at 125.6, with a 1.43 60 ft. E85, Hyd. Roller 410 magnum,full exhaust, 3500 race weight.
Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883165
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Quote:

I think they used K1 stuff on the internals. The 09 heads are a heck of a bargain at $600/pair complete. They even come with 16 iridium plugs. Those alone are worth over a $100! I know those flow 300 cfm @600. Porting shows the normal improvements in flow as well. Arrington and another company are in the production phase of rockers that will allow the use of solid rollers.




I ran iridium plugs in my 5.7....they were only $3 a piece.....looks like that combo isn't really all that pricey other than the jesel pieces.....nice

Rickster

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883166
12/19/10 02:27 AM
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My brain can't align those results w/ that combination of parts.

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: BradH] #883167
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Once you see one of these motors up close, you'll see how it looks almost exactly like an LS with even more awesome heads.

It may take years for the classic community to grasp what these motors are capable of, but when they do...hold on.

I don't get on here as much, but if anyone needs 3g hemi advice shoot me a pm. I can help.


My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin!

1968 wanna be pro touring whatchamacallit with some fancy stuff and a new roof skin.
Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883168
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Quote:

I think they used K1 stuff on the internals. The 09 heads are a heck of a bargain at $600/pair complete. They even come with 16 iridium plugs. Those alone are worth over a $100! I know those flow 300 cfm @600. Porting shows the normal improvements in flow as well. Arrington and another company are in the production phase of rockers that will allow the use of solid rollers.




Whats the story on these heads???
600$ what? where?

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883169
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The 09 heads are a heck of a bargain at $600/pair complete...I know those flow 300 cfm @600. Porting shows the normal improvements in flow as well.




With the huge expertise on tap at BES, I am afraid I don't think they just slapped some untouched $600.00 stocker heads on there.
(note, I don't think that is what you are implying by suggesting that price.)
But, just to be clear, BES put the serious dollars (parts and R&D) into that build to win the event.
Definitely showed the capability of the platform, albeit very far from "stock parts."

Impressive engine with astounding power, but don't kid yourself into believing that this engine and the word budget could ever be considered in the same sentence.
Replicating the results would involve a big bundle of cash.




Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: topbrent] #883170
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Repost....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883171
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You have a part number for these heads? all I can find are bare castings for $390 each!


Dave Stillie
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Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: topbrent] #883172
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nice build
i could never build it
neat to see the hp out of it
as for moinie it would take to build mm
out of site
wounder what the actual piston rod / crank is in it didnt see th post on it

Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: topbrent] #883173
12/19/10 05:36 PM
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Quote:

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The 09 heads are a heck of a bargain at $600/pair complete...I know those flow 300 cfm @600. Porting shows the normal improvements in flow as well.




With the huge expertise on tap at BES, I am afraid I don't think they just slapped some untouched $600.00 stocker heads on there.
(note, I don't think that is what you are implying by suggesting that price.)
But, just to be clear, BES put the serious dollars (parts and R&D) into that build to win the event.
Definitely showed the capability of the platform, albeit very far from "stock parts."

Impressive engine with astounding power, but don't kid yourself into believing that this engine and the word budget could ever be considered in the same sentence.
Replicating the results would involve a big bundle of cash.




There's no question BES does great work. Having said that this isn't a build out of fantasy land. Several of the drag pack cars are approaching these numbers with all their restrictions. You can get a 630HP crate from Arrington with a warranty. The heads will certainly support the HP.


10.56 at 125.6, with a 1.43 60 ft. E85, Hyd. Roller 410 magnum,full exhaust, 3500 race weight.
Re: Engine Masters: SB hemi wins with 700HP! [Re: onebaddakota] #883174
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Interesting bore to stroke, anyone know the rod length

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