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I was doing an inspection on my transmission and came accross this issue. The input shaft appears to have some small amount of play between itself and the input hub.I confirmed this visually upon dissassembly.
Does anyone have an opinion as to this being OK ? Don't ever remember seeing this before.

Allan G.


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never seen that either , sounds like you are putting a good bit of power to it.

In hi power diesel truck applications the hub on the 47RE has been known to split.

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never seen that either , sounds like you are putting a good bit of power to it.

In hi power diesel truck applications the hub on the 47RE has been known to split.




It's a 572 street Hemi in a 4000# challenger. So I guess it will see some abuse compared to stock.

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On the 727's I have done, the input shaft splines are a light press fit into the clutch hub (no play); plus the retaining ring.


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On the 727's I have done, the input shaft splines are a light press fit into the clutch hub (no play); plus the retaining ring.




Retaining ring in intact. I can move the input fore and aft with respect to the hub, but very little.
Allan G.


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On the 727's I have done, the input shaft splines are a light press fit into the clutch hub (no play); plus the retaining ring.




Retaining ring in intact. I can move the input fore and aft with respect to the hub, but very little.
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I have only seen this once. It turned out to be the broach on the input shaft. Not saying it can't be the hub. I changed the shaft, problem solved.

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On the 727's I have done, the input shaft splines are a light press fit into the clutch hub (no play); plus the retaining ring.




Retaining ring in intact. I can move the input fore and aft with respect to the hub, but very little.
Allan G.


OK, so it slides axially on the splines, not play in the rotation (torque).

It is common for the clutch hub to have play in the outer retainer (snap ring), but I haven't seen the splines get loose.

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On the 727's I have done, the input shaft splines are a light press fit into the clutch hub (no play); plus the retaining ring.




Retaining ring in intact. I can move the input fore and aft with respect to the hub, but very little.
Allan G.


OK, so it slides axially on the splines, not play in the rotation (torque).

It is common for the clutch hub to have play in the outer retainer (snap ring), but I haven't seen the splines get loose.



No, there is also some small play rotationally. I can feel it and also see is move with resect to the hub. I'm starting to guess if it was like this before OR if it will get worse.
Allan G.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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On the 727's I have done, the input shaft splines are a light press fit into the clutch hub (no play); plus the retaining ring.




Retaining ring in intact. I can move the input fore and aft with respect to the hub, but very little.
Allan G.


OK, so it slides axially on the splines, not play in the rotation (torque).

It is common for the clutch hub to have play in the outer retainer (snap ring), but I haven't seen the splines get loose.



No, there is also some small play rotationally. I can feel it and also see is move with resect to the hub. I'm starting to guess if it was like this before OR if it will get worse.
Allan G.




If you can rotate it I would call it junk. The shaft is a light press into the hub , if you pull the ring I wouldn't be surprised if the shaft pulled out by hand which is not good .

Get a new input assembly and be done .

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On the 727's I have done, the input shaft splines are a light press fit into the clutch hub (no play); plus the retaining ring.




Retaining ring in intact. I can move the input fore and aft with respect to the hub, but very little.
Allan G.


OK, so it slides axially on the splines, not play in the rotation (torque).

It is common for the clutch hub to have play in the outer retainer (snap ring), but I haven't seen the splines get loose.



No, there is also some small play rotationally. I can feel it and also see is move with resect to the hub. I'm starting to guess if it was like this before OR if it will get worse.
Allan G.




If you can rotate it I would call it junk. The shaft is a light press into the hub , if you pull the ring I wouldn't be surprised if the shaft pulled out by hand which is not good .

Get a new input assembly and be done .



I would be willing to bet it would push out with hand force. Problem is, this a later 3 ring input. Will have to search around and try and find another.
Allan G.


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3 ring ? What year trans is it out of ?

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3 ring ? What year trans is it out of ?



Don't remember the year. This is most likely something I threw together with whatever parts I had available at the time. I'm sure the pump and input are not original to the case.
Allan G.


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The 3-ring is '78 and later, the 3rd ring is necessary with the lockup converter.


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The 3-ring is '78 and later, the 3rd ring is necessary with the lockup converter.




This input doesn't have the traditional forward clutch feed between the two small rings but instead on the larger lower ring and lower small ring. No lock-up provisions drilled on this shaft.
Allan G.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.






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