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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: jeff968] #869544
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Is this a factory circa 1970 document?




Here is the engineering drawing from Chrysler. We just reproduced these decals because the ones that are currently being sold throughout the industry do not represent the originals. Along with the spec drawing, here is a photo of an original and our reproduction!




Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 6bblgt] #869545
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'70-'71 Parts Catalog shows: 23-63-134 DECAL, Qtr. Wdo. Glass Scat Pack Insignia (J) - (W '70) - (L '70)

The '70-'71 Parts Catalog also shown one pair of part numbers 3505 100 & 3505 101 - I thought there were 3 pairs (1 each for A, B, & E-bodies with the corner cut to match the roofline of the 1/4 window to aid installation). What does the '70 ONLY Catalog show?





Dave's post of the engineering drawing states:

3505102-3 (S/O 3505100) DECAL-QTR WDO GLASS "SCAT PACK" INSIGNIA

Anyone know the translation for the "(S/O 3505100)"?

Anyone have pics of their original backing from one of the T/As mentioned?

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S/O 3505100 - "service/only" part number for right side.

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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 6bblgt] #869547
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I called someone with two '70 only Parts catalogs, they each had a different date on the needed page.

1970 Parts Catalog(s):

3505100-3505101 J - W - L March '70 & May '70 dated pages

Before March of '70, Chrysler Corp. figured they only needed one pair for the parts counter.

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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 6bblgt] #869549
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Hi Dan,
The first series of numbers on the drawing (3505102-3) were the assembly line issue part numbers. The second number 3505100 was the service order number. These numbers were "Purchase Order" numbers that became the actual part number for the part. The service order number could have been issued because a different vendor was used for the service order parts. Tom Barcroft (our newest employee at ECS) is a retired Exec for Chrysler and used to be involved with this part of the process. He explained the protocol for how this was done regarding these parts and their assigned numbers!

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S/O = Service Order (#) or Service Only (#)

thank you & Tom

Do you have the similar engineering drawings for Charger & Dart (or any from '71 model year)?

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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: jeff968] #869551
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Yes, A66 challenger had this Scat pack decal.




Is this a factory circa 1970 document?




Here :
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1970DealershipDataBook-Old-04.shtml

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I sent you a PM Dan. Thanks!!

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Are decals with the shallow guide cuts for e-body or b-body? The e-body eng. doc posted by Dave shows the deeper guide cut decal but shows number 3505100 which is the shallow guide cut decal.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: Deuces-Wild] #869554
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This thread makes me curious as to whether my car ever had the bees on the windows. Unfortunately, my car is definately not a survivor! It's a stripe delete 383 70 R/T Challenger.

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It should have if they remembered to put it/them on.

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PAINT STRIPE DECK LID, QTR PANEL & DECAL
MODELS F/J-S-00 ($V90) F/J55-H-23,27 ($A66)($V90/V98)

I think we need a decoder ring for the engineering drawings is this a proper translation?

F - 1970 model year
J - DODGE e-body - Challenger
S - price class SPECIAL - R/T
00 - body style - ALL
$ - with (OPTION)
V - stripe
9 - painted "bumblebee"
0 - colors - ALL
and
F - 1970 model year
J - DODGE e-body - Challenger
55 - engine - 340 4bbl
H - price class HIGH - Challenger
23 - body style - 2 door hardtop
27 - body style - 2 door convertible
$ - with (OPTION)
A66 - 340 4bbl engine package
$ - with (OPTION)
V - stripe
9 - painted "bumblebee"
0 - colors - ALL
or
V - stripe
9 - painted "bumblebee"
8 - DELETE

It would be cool to see the revision data. When was the A66 nomenclature added? (see A66 thread)

I see this engineering drawing covers the A66 cars w/V98 "stripe DELETE" - they should have "Scat Pack" Bees.
Since V90 was a R/T OPTION there has to be a similar drawing for the STANDARD V60 & V68 R/Ts? & A & B-bodies.

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I've got a 70 A66 Challenger that I have owned since 1979. It is an FK5 stripe delete car, and it has window bees. Before I got the car, it had never been messed with. I had another 70 A66 that I bought in the early 80's as a parts car, and it had window bees also. I don't know if it was a stripe delete car. All I remember about it, was that it was B5 blue and looked like it had been painted with a pine top!

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That decoder ring looks good to me Dan.

Looks like A66 with V98 stripe delete should have the bees in the windows. Interesting that V98 is mentioned regarding the A66 cars, but not mentioned on the RT models. Does that mean that the RT models with V98 stripe delete should not have the bees? (all of this pertaining to only 1970 of coarse.)

Also, no mention of the V6 stripes here. Are you thinking there would be a seperate drawing for those, possibly with more window bee info on it?

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Anyone have pics of their original backing from one of the T/As mentioned?




I think I saw them on Barry's 173 mile T/A photo CD. I don't have it with me on this computer though. (traveling currently)

Tav

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There are NOT separate decals and/or part numbers that differentiate A, B or E body vehicles. I have just learned that our reproductions are incorrect/different than the assembly line versions. I had formated our reproduction decals off of an NOS item. The NOS replacements that everyone has been using are also different (incorrect?) than the ones that were applied by the Factory. I am scrapping all of our current inventory and having our reproductions (artwork) changed to represent the Factory originals! At least now what we offer will be "factory correct".

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Does that mean that the RT models with V98 stripe delete should not have the bees? (all of this pertaining to only 1970 of coarse.)




Notice the word "STANDARD" that is spelled out under the Bee drawing. It pertains to all models mentioned in the applications box for this engineered blueprint. There should be no models exempted that are specifically listed/called out.

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The STANDARD stripe on a '70 Challenger R/T was V60 (OPTIONAL colors), so if it was ordered without stripes, the stripe DELETE code would be V68. V90 (OPTIONAL colors) was a N/C (no cost/no charge) OPTION.
A66 was STANDARD with V90 (OPTIONAL colors), so if it was ordered without stripes, the stripe DELETE code would be V98.

Dave, What was "wrong" with your reproductions? How did they differ from factory applied?
I'm convinced (until proven wrong) that the 3505100-1 were factory applied on b-bodies, 3505102-3 were factory applied on e-bodies & WAG there were 3505104-5 for the Darts. The 3505100-1 saw life as the service replacement part for all body styles since it was the highest use factory pair.

'70 muscle car "SCAT PACK" Dodges:
a-body * 13,781 * Dart Swinger 340
e-body * 27,235 * Challenger R/T, R/T SE, T/A & A66 (#s exceeded projections)
b-body * 28,458 * Charger R/T, Coronet R/T, Super Bee

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Dave, What was "wrong" with your reproductions? How did they differ from factory applied?
I'm convinced (until proven wrong) that the 3505100-1 were factory applied on b-bodies, 3505102-3 were factory applied on e-bodies & WAG there were 3505104-5 for the Darts.





There are differences in both the actual drawing and coloring of the decals. The service NOS replacements are not like the factory versions. Also, the engineered drawing I posted earlier was for E Body (B&J) illustrations only. It comes from a reference manual specific to only E body vehicles. I can't make a hypothesis or guess other than the documented facts I have access to. Regarding this subject matter, I cannot prove a negative! What Chrysler information have you documented that causes you to feel "convinced" about A & B Bodies using a separate part number?

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