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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: jeff968] #869504
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You did NOT get them on your 70 Scat pack car if it was equipped with A/C. You got the Chrysler Airtemp decal on the passenger side only rear quarter window.




My '70 Challenger R/T 383 auto with A/C has them.




Well, I purchased these cars back in the late seventies and this is what I found. Do you not have the air temp decal or do you have both the a/c and the bees?

Where is Barry when we need him?





For the 1970 Model Year - Scat Pack cars got the Bees - with and without A/C. Here is my original 1970 Challenger R/T SE (440 A/C.) Sept '69 Hamtramck car. (Airtemp was only on the right side...Bees are on both.) I have seen many examples other than mine like this...E and B bodies. Hope this helps... Dave

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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #869505
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I would expand that statement to '70 ONLY!! except for "J" Challenger maybe?? Anyone ever see a '71 Charger or Demon with originals?
'70-'71 Parts Catalog shows: 23-63-134 DECAL, Qtr. Wdo. Glass Scat Pack Insignia (J) - (W '70) - (L '70)

The '70-'71 Parts Catalog also shown one pair of part numbers 3505 100 & 3505 101 - I thought there were 3 pairs (1 each for A, B, & E-bodies with the corner cut to match the roofline of the 1/4 window to aid installation). What does the '70 ONLY Catalog show?

I have not seen a '69 Daytona with Bees in the 1/4 window & they were the last of the '69s to make it to the dealerships. & they also made the '70 Scat Pack brochure.

There has been some discussion in the past that "stripe DELETE" cars recieved NO Bees, but until someone comes up with an engineering drawing showing and/or explaining the application instruction "the original FACTORY intention" as to which cars recieved Bees will be in question. They were simple & inexpensive to add or remove 40 years ago or today.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 1AARCUDA] #869506
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My 14K original mile A12 Bee has them. Only A12's I have seen with them were coupes. I have never seen them on a hardtop.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 6bblgt] #869507
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There has been some discussion in the past that "stripe DELETE" cars recieved NO Bees, but until someone comes up with an engineering drawing showing and/or explaining the application instruction "the original FACTORY intention" as to which cars recieved Bees will be in question. They were simple & inexpensive to add or remove 40 years ago or today.






Dan what do you mean by this statement; are you talking about no bee on the 1/4 glass or on the tail? And are you talking 70 and + or no bee on the tail of a stripe delete '69 Super Bee too?


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: A12] #869508
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here's one on the other end of the same '69 Hemi survivor bee above (less than 7k miles on it)???

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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 1AARCUDA] #869509
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My 14k A12 Bee has them on the pop-out quarter windows and I have seen them on other coupes, but have never seen any on hardtops with roll-up quarter windows.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: A12] #869510
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These were on a 71 Challenger convertible when I got it. Look original to me.
I'm not the original owner so I can't say when they were put on


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: anlauto] #869511
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Bruce H's pink 70 Six Pack Challenger came with them. Those windows (and decals) are currently in my car, as he swapped them out for new ECS dated-coded glass in his OEM Gold effort.


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #869512
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I have a 70 Chall with air - Going check that one too.




It has the Airtemp on the right side - No Bees either side.

These were decals the workers were supposed to put on but s#@t happens.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #869513
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Here is how I know it.

Only High Perf Model&Engine determined a Scat Pack car.

For '70 the Scat Pack cars were specific high-perf: Chally R/T, Charger R/T, Super Bee, Swinger 340 and Coronet R/T having standard engines of (340-4, 383-4, 440-4, 440-6, 426) 340-6 added later in year.

For '71 Scat Pack cars were: Charger R/T, Super Bee, Chally R/T and Demon 340 having standard engines of (340-4, 383-4, 440-4, 440-6, 426).

All Scat Pack cars came with the Scat Bee qtr window stickers and were only the high-perf model (ex: R/T's). Many non-Scat cars were built with or dealer added the high-perf goodies as options but they should not have Window Bees.

For '69, I understood that there were not any Scat window bees.

Cool things never die as I see guys putting them on their new Chally R/Ts.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: Deuces-Wild] #869514
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We know - My Challenger convert is a 440 R/T....with air

and

There were many cars that never had them that should have.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #869515
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'71 Charger Super Bee Scat Pack


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: Deuces-Wild] #869516
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My 1971 Challenger R/T does not have the Side window Scat Bees . Like another poster stated in an earlies post Stripe delete cars do not get the stickers. I do not know if this is true or not about Stripe delete 1971 Challenger R/Ts. I parted out an R/T Challenger and still have the side windows with its sticker on it.


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: hemicar1971] #869517
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Another possibility is when these cars were traded in to a non-Dodge dealership - who says the new dealership didn't take them off in prep....Like, "Oh look at these crap decals someone put on - let's get rid of them before we re-sell". That is what we did when I worked at a dealership in the 70's. We also black spray bombed over the surface rust on stuff on the undercarriage of new cars if the car was going into the showroom....another person told me his dealership did the same thing.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: hemicar1971] #869518
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My 1971 Challenger R/T does not have the Side window Scat Bees . Like another poster stated in an earlies post Stripe delete cars do not get the stickers. I do not know if this is true or not about Stripe delete 1971 Challenger R/Ts. I parted out an R/T Challenger and still have the side windows with its sticker on it.




My 71 stripe delete Challenger R/T does not have them either - but I think that is a coincidence...

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 1AARCUDA] #869519
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My 70 Challenger had them. I was told it was a 70 only thing. It was about the only orginal thing I didn't have to fix or replace.

Question, did this come from the factory or were they put on at the dearship?

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #869520
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My 1971 Challenger R/T does not have the Side window Scat Bees . Like another poster stated in an earlies post Stripe delete cars do not get the stickers. I do not know if this is true or not about Stripe delete 1971 Challenger R/Ts. I parted out an R/T Challenger and still have the side windows with its sticker on it.




My 71 stripe delete Challenger R/T does not have them either - but I think that is a coincidence...




Mine neither....and mine is a stripe delete. And I am 100% certain they werent't on there when the car was delivered to the original owner.

Do we have a pattern here??

Jim, what are the details on your'71. Is it a 6 pack with a hole in the roof??

MB

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Jim, what are the details on your'71. Is it a 6 pack with a hole in the roof??

MB




Frank P's car?

Also, this is the best pic I have, but I don't think my former LA built A66 car had either the Bees or the airtemp decal. It was a very original / unmolested and mostly original paint car when I bought it



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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 6bblgt] #869522
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I would expand that statement to '70 ONLY!! except for "J" Challenger maybe?? Anyone ever see a '71 Charger or Demon with originals?
'70-'71 Parts Catalog shows: 23-63-134 DECAL, Qtr. Wdo. Glass Scat Pack Insignia (J) - (W '70) - (L '70)

The '70-'71 Parts Catalog also shown one pair of part numbers 3505 100 & 3505 101 - I thought there were 3 pairs (1 each for A, B, & E-bodies with the corner cut to match the roofline of the 1/4 window to aid installation). What does the '70 ONLY Catalog show?

I have not seen a '69 Daytona with Bees in the 1/4 window & they were the last of the '69s to make it to the dealerships. & they also made the '70 Scat Pack brochure.

There has been some discussion in the past that "stripe DELETE" cars recieved NO Bees, but until someone comes up with an engineering drawing showing and/or explaining the application instruction "the original FACTORY intention" as to which cars recieved Bees will be in question. They were simple & inexpensive to add or remove 40 years ago or today.




I just looked at an original but nasty 71 Super Bee yesterday and noticed it had the bees on both windows...they were closer to top though on this cars 1/4 windows. This was only reason I noticed them thinking wow those are high. Original unrestored car though. Added?

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: gtx6970] #869523
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Also, this is the best pic I have, but I don't think my former LA built A66 car had either the Bees or the airtemp decal. It was a very original / unmolested and mostly original paint car when I bought it




Carpeted door panels
Tuff wheel
Chrome on parking brake pedal
power windows, black vinyl top, black bumblebee stripe & SE finish panel from additional pics in the LA thread .....

from one pic ..... I'm just sayin'

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