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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Johnnyjet] #868139
11/05/11 04:20 PM
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If and when the Keisler comes out they claim it will be a no cutting, bolt in application for 1500-2000 dollars less than the Passon 5-speed.





Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson] #868140
11/05/11 04:22 PM
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You will need to remove the lockout rod.



, you just lost 3 potential sales ...

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John,
PLEASE tell me you are kidding me... PLEASE.
Jamie




Jamie you know me better than that ... My cars don't have a lockout rod so I'm good to go.



Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JohnRR] #868141
11/06/11 12:58 AM
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I'm sure if you offshore production and/or go with lighter duty parts that you could easily cut 1500-2K off the price tag. I'm also sure that people want junky stuff in their hobby car they plan to beat on.

Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JohnRR] #868142
11/07/11 02:39 AM
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You will need to remove the lockout rod.



, you just lost 3 potential sales ...

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John,
PLEASE tell me you are kidding me... PLEASE.
Jamie




Jamie you know me better than that ... My cars don't have a lockout rod so I'm good to go.







I betting if someone really had to have the lockout it could be made to work..... But then I was able to put a 518 O/D in an E body without cutting the floor or crossmember over ten years ago & people still say it can't be done....


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson] #868143
11/09/11 02:15 AM
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The factories have used "Waterglass" - sodium silicate - to treat porosity problems for decades. There are many variations of it, including one that for years was used to seal eggs to keep them from incubating. I was told years ago that every trans case run at one of the local GM plants was dipped to prevent porosity and the resulting leaks. Look it up in Wikipedia and you will be amazed at it's uses.


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Evil Spirit] #868144
11/09/11 09:55 AM
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Thanks,
I will look into it.
Thanks,
Jamie


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson] #868145
11/09/11 11:51 PM
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Would be nice if it worked for you. We used a version of waterglass on the farm years ago to prep eggs, and a gentleman that was an engineer for GM transmissions told me about them using it to seal their cases and other parts. Another version of it is what is poured down into the engines for the gov't car buyout deal.

To be honest with you, I think it would solve your porosity problems, but I don't know the lifespan of it, as if would it breakdown after 5, 10, 20 years and start seeping. I see a lot of (automatic) transmissions that suddenly have issues that changing valve bodies, solenoids, etc. don't fix, so another core is prepped and used. I wonder if it is a case of the sealant breaking down resulting in an internal leak between oil passages. While that failure would be an easy to check situation for a manual trans case - a few block off plates and a dip tank - it is a hard diagnosis for an automatic with all its passages. Food for thought.


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Evil Spirit] #868146
11/24/11 12:41 AM
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Jamie,
Any chance by Christmas?

Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: mprhound] #868147
11/24/11 10:28 AM
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Jamie, what year/model car you testing with? What engine/rear are in the car?

Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 69Cuda340S] #868148
12/22/11 10:04 PM
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Any updates Jamie?


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1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JohnRR] #868149
12/23/11 06:42 PM
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There was not a price increase. Cost is set to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage.
Thanks,
Jamie




Thanks for the correction on that Jamie , I didn't have the time to go back looking for it , very reasonable price for what you are offering .




For anyone wanting to compare price on something somewhat comparable the Richmond Super Street 5 speed = $4,370.80. In comparable, I mean built in USA, good materials, etc.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RMG-7030518B/

And no, it is probably not a bolt in...


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 68440fish] #868150
12/23/11 11:26 PM
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John,
There was not a price increase. Cost is set to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage.
Thanks,
Jamie




Thanks for the correction on that Jamie , I didn't have the time to go back looking for it , very reasonable price for what you are offering .




For anyone wanting to compare price on something somewhat comparable the Richmond Super Street 5 speed = $4,370.80. In comparable, I mean built in USA, good materials, etc.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RMG-7030518B/

And no, it is probably not a bolt in...



I have a Richmond 5-speed in my car and it's FAR from being a bolt-in transmission.Also add about $400 for a shifter and linkage,another $400 for a new longer driveshaft and turbo 400 yoke,entire new custom made crossmember and mount,cut and box your torsion bar crossmember,some sort of custom made speedo cable...the list goes on and on and if you can't do all the fabrication and welding yourself I would charge at least $600 to do the swap
Now take all that into consideration when weighing your "OPTIONS" for a 5 speed
Jamie has created the ONLY true bolt in 5-speed
Now all I have to do is save up a few grand more and I will enter the list to get one if there are any left
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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: fourgearsavoy] #868151
12/24/11 10:17 PM
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And no, it is probably not a bolt in...



I have a Richmond 5-speed in my car and it's FAR from being a bolt-in transmission.Also add about $400 for a shifter and linkage,another $400 for a new longer driveshaft and turbo 400 yoke,entire new custom made crossmember and mount,cut and box your torsion bar crossmember,some sort of custom made speedo cable...the list goes on and on and if you can't do all the fabrication and welding yourself I would charge at least $600 to do the swap
Now take all that into consideration when weighing your "OPTIONS" for a 5 speed
Jamie has created the ONLY true bolt in 5-speed





Yep, that was kind of my point. What I was also trying to illustrate was that for the hardware the price was in line with a competitive unit. The new Richmond 5 speed OD transmission has similar features, good materials, made in the USA and a similar price. Of course then you are back to the same old problem of getting a bellhousing, clutch, driveshaft, etc. to work PLUS cutting up your car.


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: EWJ] #868152
12/26/11 10:41 PM
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We are finalizing fitment on the '62 -'65 B Body cars right now. Making a special tower for the shifter mechanism to allow you to use your factory shifter handle and console. This turned out to be quite a "project". However, I will say that doing our homework early has allowed us 100% fitment with NO CUTTING on any car we have tried so far. I personally think that is ground breaking! So far, we have confirmed fitment in '67 up A body cars, '66 - '70 B Body cars, '70 - '74 E Body / '71-74 B Body bucket seat cars and '62 - '65 B Body cars. Currently finishing our "run in" stand right now.

I have a '71-4 Bench seat B Body car lined up to do next, but I do not have a '63 - '66 A Body car lined up yet. This is the final body style that we need. Is there anyone somewhat local that would be interested in letting us do some test fitting? The requirements are that it MUST be an original manual trans car with the original floor in it. It also MUST have the original k frame arrangement with factory style motor mounts. PM me or call if anyone is interested.

I want to take a minute to thank everyone for being so patient. I know that we are way over our projected time frame here, but I just cannot release something until it is 101% right. (no that isn't a typo)!!!!
Thanks,
Jamie


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson] #868153
12/27/11 08:19 AM
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Thanks for the update!
Stuck on adding the Hotchkis suspension and one of these in my Super Bee or getting a new Challenger.

ETA on these 5 speeds if everything were to fall into place right?

Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update *DELETED* [Re: 68KillerBee] #868154
12/27/11 09:38 AM
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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Rug_Trucker] #868155
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I'm not sure what you mean Rug Trucker. We have an A B and B/E length tail.
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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson] #868156
12/27/11 12:45 PM
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Thanks Jamie for the update.


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1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson] #868157
12/27/11 01:18 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean Rug Trucker. We have an A B and B/E length tail.
Thanks,
Jamie




Guess I haven't been reading as well as I should!

I'll delete or edit.

Sorry Jamie!


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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson] #868158
12/27/11 07:39 PM
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I have a '71-4 Bench seat B Body car lined up to do next, but I do not have a '63 - '66 A Body car lined up yet. This is the final body style that we need. Is there anyone somewhat local that would be interested in letting us do some test fitting? The requirements are that it MUST be an original manual trans car with the original floor in it. It also MUST have the original k frame arrangement with factory style motor mounts. PM me or call if anyone is interested.






I wish I were local to you. I'm anxiously awaiting the availability of this trans for my 66 Barracuda and would gladly offer my car, but I'm not local to you. Hopefully someone with an early A will step up soon!


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67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
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