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Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/19/10 04:35 PM
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Why is it that everyone who builds race ready transmissions will only do it with a reverse shift valve body. Personally I prefer a forward shifting manual valve body, seems more natural.. Whats the big difference?
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/19/10 04:43 PM
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yep and as a safety aspect with a rev pattern you are shifting away from N instead of towards it.
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/19/10 04:48 PM
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purely a matter of preference. if you like forward pattern, go for it! cope has some very nice valve bodies. i have one in my turd and i absolutely love it. mine is reverse, but he and several others have forward pattern.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/19/10 05:33 PM
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This makes me ask a question. What about the "clean neutral" valve bodies I have heard about? It is my understanding, that it is a reverse pattern with a second neutral at the end of the pattern. In other words, is it possible to go to neutral at the end of a run and coast down to a stop? I am thinking that is the intention and purpose behind this. Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't talked to anybody about them. Also, if that is correct, it kind of makes the reverse pattern the same as regular forward pattern as far as accidentally going to neutral on a high gear shift. Am I not seeing this right? Any explanations of the 'clean neutral' are welcome and appreciated. I would like to go to neutral after a pass, but with reverse pattern,,,, 
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/19/10 07:06 PM
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I didn't want to chop up my council, plus I wanted to use my factory shifter, so I went with a forward shifting valve body. Actually, mine is a cheeta valve body with an automatic up shift feature ( like a regular valve body ), so when I do a burn out, I just leave it in drive and it automatically upshifts to third. I then just release the line lock and roll out of the water in 3rd.
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/19/10 09:22 PM
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We use the reverse manual in my sons Dart and my car. I myself like to pull the shifter towards me when racing. It seems more natural pulling the shifter then it does pushing it as what I would have to do with a forward valve body. Ron
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/19/10 09:33 PM
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I have a RMVB in mine and w/ a pro ratchet shifter It's a natural for me.
We put one in the 72 and W/ the factory slap stick it was a mess. I put a TA Manual/automatic FVB in it and it works great with the slap stick.
It's all just a mater of what works for what you want to do. 
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/20/10 09:21 AM
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This makes me ask a question. What about the "clean neutral" valve bodies I have heard about? It is my understanding, that it is a reverse pattern with a second neutral at the end of the pattern. In other words, is it possible to go to neutral at the end of a run and coast down to a stop? I am thinking that is the intention and purpose behind this. Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't talked to anybody about them. Also, if that is correct, it kind of makes the reverse pattern the same as regular forward pattern as far as accidentally going to neutral on a high gear shift. Am I not seeing this right? Any explanations of the 'clean neutral' are welcome and appreciated. I would like to go to neutral after a pass, but with reverse pattern,,,,
Anybody have any info on this set-up?
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/20/10 09:53 AM
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i REALLY wanted to keep my slapstick, but trans builder talked me out of fmvb (since i'll have considerably more horsepower than stock) because he told me rmvb allows higher line pressure (or something to that effect) than fmvb......i will install the Duncan shift-r-gate, so at least i can still keep my slapstick though, haven't tried it out yet though.
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/20/10 10:42 AM
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i REALLY wanted to keep my slapstick, but trans builder talked me out of fmvb (since i'll have considerably more horsepower than stock) because he told me rmvb allows higher line pressure (or something to that effect) than fmvb......i will install the Duncan shift-r-gate, so at least i can still keep my slapstick though, haven't tried it out yet though.
I bought the gate but couldn't really figure out how to install it with up cutting up and possibly ruining the slap stik shifter.
I have no idea why the shift pattern of any VB would affect the line pressure. What I do know is we took out a TA RMVB and installed the Manual/Atuomatic VB and the shifts were just as solid with either.
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/20/10 11:54 AM
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This makes me ask a question. What about the "clean neutral" valve bodies I have heard about? It is my understanding, that it is a reverse pattern with a second neutral at the end of the pattern. In other words, is it possible to go to neutral at the end of a run and coast down to a stop? I am thinking that is the intention and purpose behind this. Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't talked to anybody about them. Also, if that is correct, it kind of makes the reverse pattern the same as regular forward pattern as far as accidentally going to neutral on a high gear shift. Am I not seeing this right? Any explanations of the 'clean neutral' are welcome and appreciated. I would like to go to neutral after a pass, but with reverse pattern,,,,
Anybody have any info on this set-up?
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You are correct in your assumtion
I spoke with John Cope (CRT) and this option is only available with a trans brake. There are 2 neutrals one is after 3rd gear and the other shares the same position as reverse. To use reverse the trans brake button has to be activated.
Shift pattern; P, R&N, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, N
RMVB pattern; P, R, N, 1st, 2nd, 3rd
I like to go in neutral after the run also.
At the moment my Quarter Stick is modified in the gate to slap it from 3rd to neutral after the run 
Also talked with him about using a Forward VB and was recommended not to use with my HP & TQ level 
Really don't want to spend $800.00 for a Trans Brake VB that I'll never use being a Foot Brake racer.
Hope this clarifies things
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
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11/20/10 12:18 PM
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Greg,,,,empty your PM box  I just pecked out a message for about 20 minutes ,,,AND,,, unable to deliver 
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Re: Reverse manual Valve body vs Forward Shifting VB?
[Re: kielbasa]
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11/20/10 03:58 PM
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i REALLY wanted to keep my slapstick, but trans builder talked me out of fmvb (since i'll have considerably more horsepower than stock)...
How much HP will that be? Just curious since I use a Turbo Action FMVB w/ about 600 HP and have no problems running in the 10s.
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