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Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: efisixpack] #854182
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Here's an e-bay link to them.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250730564866

Looks like they are the deluxe style belts, which I believe were an option. A rare and cool piece IMO.




Is that the style BUCKLE used starting with 70 or did those come out later ?

Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: JohnRR] #854183
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All 3 of my 70's & every other 66-70 I have had always had the large square flip type buckles. The is one of the reason I have been asking for pics of more proof of what they look like. These just seem too generic to me. I could be wrong. It would be cool to add them. Just not for what he wants for them now.

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Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: 6PKRTSE] #854184
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From the pictures I have seen, they are definately correct "deluxe" belts for 70. They were even offered on superbirds.

I would look at it this way, what is cooler a real hemi charger or a 318 charger with a hemi in it? What I mean by that is yes, you could probably put together some sort of buckle/seat belt that would work for you, but they will never be the real thing. Being your car is optioned for them, I would jump all over them IMO because you will never find another set. Just my $.02

Let me know if you decide to pass on them. I won't bid against you as I would like to see you get them, but I would not mind putting them in a superbird I have if you decide not to.


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Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: efisixpack] #854185
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The deluxe belt style was available in 1970 ONLY so the belts in the auction are correct for 1970 ONLY. The usually messed up parts book, section 23 says that the part numbers that the guy listing the auction are for V and L cars only, Valiants and Darts. The seller seems to know exactly what he is talking about so I would say the parts book is incorrect regarding that part number: 3453 603, which it also says is correct for 1971 only, again, another error.

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WOW, Now that's RARE! I feel privileged to even SEE a set.

What are the small brown metal brackets for?

I'd REALLY love to see an E body set!!

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Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: cataclysm80] #854187
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If these are corect for 70. Would all of the other belts matched these deluxe style rear shoulder belts with the deluxe belt option?


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Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: 6PKRTSE] #854188
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I believe these are for deluxe seat belt(C15 on the option code or broadcast sheet) equipped cars only, and of course only for 1970 cars, that was the only year these were available. It is a pitty that the accuracy of the 23-49 section of the parts book has so many errors in it. There would also be a non-deluxe set as well, but I don't know what the seven digit number would be. The vast majority of 70 cars were non deluxe equipped seat belted vehicles.
BTW, the design of the chrome ends and the buckle with rectangular push button are unique to the 1970 model year.
BE and A's reproduction of 1970 belts use the 71 style chrome end. I think that because of this, the original 70 Chrysler belts are worth a lot more!!

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I was looking for a black set for a '71 'Cuda that was supposed to have them a few years ago - Great Lakes NOS said they had a set of (green?) ones from a '70 Grand Coupe but they never materialised. There was a red 383 Challenger R/T "dealer demo" on Ebay that had them, I'll see if I can find the pics. GG's '70 Cuda book shows .1% for US spec. 'Cudas (17 +/- 8 produced)




I just saw this Dan. Wow, Again! That's the first I've ever heard of anyone actually seeing an E body set. I'd be THRILLED to see that Challenger picture if you can find it!!

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Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: cataclysm80] #854190
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I was looking for a black set for a '71 'Cuda that was supposed to have them a few years ago




If you had a car that was coded for them and you couldn't find a set, It doesn't look like it would be very hard to make a set from a pair of front seat shoulder belts. I was just looking at the pictures in the Factory Service Manual (which are the only E body rear shoulder belt pictures I've seen anywhere), and most of the parts look the same as the front shoulder belts. Both ends of the belt are the same, shoulder bolt is the same, & plastic bolt cover is the same. The spot to drill the bolt hole is marked on the backside of the factory interior panels, no special grommet like the B bodies use. Length of the Belts may need to be adjusted, which would require a good sewing machine and some attention to detail so that you match the stitching pattern. You'd also need to install a metal snap on the belt for storage. Metal snaps are readily available, and the FSM has nice pictures for reference. ECS can make the tags for the belts, but I've no idea what #'s should be on them. Maybe Dave or Dwight know? Looks like the hardest thing to make would be the Reinforcement bracket that goes under the package tray. I'm sure someone could fabricate a couple of those with some effort, and if that fabricated part wasn't an exact OE match, at least it's the part that's out of sight under the package tray. So few people have even seen one that probably no one would notice if they were looking right at it.
What do you guys think? Does this sound do-able? What #'s should be on the tag?

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Re: How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts-B-Body [Re: cataclysm80] #854191
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Heres a link I found on Google that shows a 1970 coroent with the deluxe buckles. They look the same as the ones in the auction to me.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/267096/1970-dodge-coronet-newhaven-un-gb


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Looks like the auction ends in 1:20 minutes. It will be interesting to see what they end at.


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Thanks for the pics EFI. And thank you all for the feedback. I learned alot that I did not know. I saw what they went for too. That is just crazy money to me for seat belts!!!! Oh well, I get them somehow, someday.... Even if i make my own.


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1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
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Well it's too bad you didn't win the auction but think of it this way, you have a good idea now what thye look like and what needs to be done to install them. Now just find some buckles, fab up a few little parts and get someone to stitch the belts together. I think you will have a lot less in them in the end, just more time. If you do this to yours, you should consider making a kit that others can buy too. Just a thought. Love your charger BTW.


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So, anyone on here the lucky winner? That was just way too rich for me.


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1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
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1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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