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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829848
11/08/10 09:01 AM 11/08/10 09:01 AM
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Why not use a stock pump with a stock cover and a aftermarket spin on adapter for a remote filter lines.I have pick up a few from our local NAPA store for aprox $20.I probably have a few lying around the shop.



Bob... I bought the Milodon pump assuming it would be a high quality piece, and as an insurance policy on the engine to some degree.
I may be a bit misguided but I still have a niggling feeling about using a stock pump on a high dollar motor... are the stock pumps really that good?

If so then it may be worth a go.???






90% of our bracket engines use a stock high volume pump with Indy cover plates .Indy makes a remote cover plate as well.

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: B G Racing] #829849
11/08/10 02:12 PM 11/08/10 02:12 PM
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...If it's the height of the pump body adding to the problem, would a Melling H/V pump body (staying with your H/V plan) be shorter? Helping in the cover thickness problem also. If so, could you then bring the oil into the blocks front (out side) port entree.
...Or is the difference in heights between your pump & the Melling 63HV to little to help?

Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: thehemikid] #829850
11/08/10 03:29 PM 11/08/10 03:29 PM
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...If it's the height of the pump body adding to the problem, would a Melling H/V pump body (staying with your H/V plan) be shorter? Helping in the cover thickness problem also. If so, could you then bring the oil into the blocks front (out side) port entree.
...Or is the difference in heights between your pump & the Melling 63HV to little to help?



thanks Jeff, do you have a Melling pump or the height measurement? or a Std H/V Hemi pump height measurement?

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: B G Racing] #829851
11/08/10 03:30 PM 11/08/10 03:30 PM
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...90% of our bracket engines use a stock high volume pump with Indy cover plates .Indy makes a remote cover plate as well.



Bob, do you have the height measurement of your high volume pump? Any pics of the Indy cover?

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829852
11/08/10 03:54 PM 11/08/10 03:54 PM
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...If it's the height of the pump body adding to the problem, would a Melling H/V pump body (staying with your H/V plan) be shorter? Helping in the cover thickness problem also. If so, could you then bring the oil into the blocks front (out side) port entree.
...Or is the difference in heights between your pump & the Melling 63HV to little to help?



thanks Jeff, do you have a Melling pump or the height measurement? or a Std H/V Hemi pump height measurement?



...Just went to measure it(melling H/V) before you posted & my caliper's battery went dead, but its a hair under 1.75" without a gasket.
Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: thehemikid] #829853
11/08/10 04:11 PM 11/08/10 04:11 PM
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Awesome! thanks! I'll go check my Milodon.

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829854
11/08/10 05:12 PM 11/08/10 05:12 PM
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...90% of our bracket engines use a stock high volume pump with Indy cover plates .Indy makes a remote cover plate as well.



Bob, do you have the height measurement of your high volume pump? Any pics of the Indy cover?



...I went to the garage to take some pic's of my Indy cover. I "think" it is the same cover as the remote cover but machined to except to spin on adapter, someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'll post the pic's with some measurement's too, depending on how good the pic's are. back in a few.
Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: thehemikid] #829855
11/08/10 05:22 PM 11/08/10 05:22 PM
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...Pic's of Indy Maxx cover with spin on adapter. ...EDIT: "If" you could cut off that rear entree port & flush plug it, that would save ~5/8".

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: thehemikid] #829856
11/08/10 05:26 PM 11/08/10 05:26 PM
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...Thats ~ 1&11/32's

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: thehemikid] #829857
11/08/10 07:38 PM 11/08/10 07:38 PM
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thanks Jeff, so far..

PUMP:
height/depth: Milodon 1-15/16
Melling 1-3/4

COVER:
height/depth: Milodon 1-3/8
Indy 1-11/32

height/depth gain: 7/32 or 0.21 in. Not even 1/4in.

Hmmphh.

Thanks again Jeff, Bob, appreciate your help on this.

I should probably look at getting Andy to fabricate a modification of his cover type.

I wonder what the standard Hemi (1) oil pump & (2) cover height/depth is.


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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829858
11/08/10 08:29 PM 11/08/10 08:29 PM
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...How much more do ya need?
Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829859
11/08/10 08:42 PM 11/08/10 08:42 PM
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If BG is suggesting a stock pump in your application (street car - bracket racer), I'd think you'd do well to listen to the man. That's what I'm planning to use in my world block hemi.

Just my 2 cents.
Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: thehemikid] #829860
11/08/10 08:49 PM 11/08/10 08:49 PM
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...How much more do ya need?



I'm not sure.. seeing the pump cover doesn't fit anyway I will get the rear side/overhang machined off so that it is flush with the pump housing (see pic) and I'll plug the rear oil-feed-holes (as I am using the front anyway).
Then I'll remeasure to see if it needs any thickness removed and if that's possible.


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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829861
11/08/10 09:19 PM 11/08/10 09:19 PM
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...Attachment didn't work for me, is this what you're cutting.
Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: B G Racing] #829862
11/08/10 09:49 PM 11/08/10 09:49 PM
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Why not use a stock pump with a stock cover and a aftermarket spin on adapter for a remote filter lines.I have pick up a few from our local NAPA store for aprox $20.I probably have a few lying around the shop.



This is similar to what i used , although i blocked off the internal pickup & put a sandwhich plate between pump & block to enable me to use external oiling , no cutting to K frame & fitted like a glove , obviously had to fit the longer oil pump drive , spun this engine to 7500 rpm with oil pressure around 50psi............ went through pump/plate & opened any oil ways that were neccesary.

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: 602heavy] #829863
11/09/10 03:54 AM 11/09/10 03:54 AM
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Darren, What I was sugesting is using a HV melling pump and internal pickup with a deep pan providing you have enough internal clearance for the pickup tube,as the car is a streeter?
Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: thehemikid] #829864
11/09/10 06:23 AM 11/09/10 06:23 AM
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...Attachment didn't work for me, is this what you're cutting.


yes but along the contour of the pump. still not confident there will be enough room... but will see (nothing to lose!)..

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Teamx] #829865
11/09/10 06:27 AM 11/09/10 06:27 AM
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Darren, What I was sugesting is using a HV melling pump and internal pickup with a deep pan providing you have enough internal clearance for the pickup tube,as the car is a streeter?



thanks Tim, the pickup and pan setup is fine. No issues there (yes the car will be a streeter).
The issue is with the remote filter~pump cover setup - it hits the engine mount at the rear (I have no intention of using the inlets at the rear of the pump cover but I need the FRONT ones!


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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829866
11/09/10 06:30 AM 11/09/10 06:30 AM
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rear of pump cover I will cut off.. (hopefully pic will load this time):

6292688-OilPump-6(s).jpg (479 downloads)
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