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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: Alaskan_TA] #829458
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All 1970 Challengers with AC got a 26" radiator.

I have still not seen any 1970 Challengers with rolled fenders from the factory.........




Barry,
I just had the luck of seeing a bunch of Hemi Challengers and they did not have the rolled fenders.They may have been changed at one point but not sure. can't say I have seen one Challenger yet with them
Bob

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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody [Re: cloneguy] #829459
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T/A fenders being modified is a myth. It was proposed, then cancelled.

Originally they were planned with the same size tires on all four corners, by using the smaller tires up front the modification was no longer needed.




Barry,

Holly Crap! Please excuse the post I made before. I'm still recovering from a serious bout of cranial flatulance. I meant to say Mike from BE&A.

I'm pretty sure that pink T/A he got at the Nats last year had a rolled, original fender on the left. I crawled all over that car before he bought it and I'm almost sure of this.

It didn't look like the same rolling on a hemi fender; it was more like a pinch fold.

Could that have been done afterwards or could it have been factory?


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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: Alaskan_TA] #829460
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There is a 70 Challenger R/T project for sale on c-list and I was looking at some of the pictures. One showing the front fender with the wheel lip trim was cut the same as the ones on my A66 car. Wish I had a better view to see how much the fender is rolled or why would you trim the wheel lip trim ? picture is of the R/T fender.


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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody [Re: Mastershake340] #829461
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Has anyone seen factory rolled fenders on a Challenger? I have not, at least not yet.



I have a factory rolled lip Challenger fender I bought new from Chrysler around 1980. Whether any cars were ever built with these fenders is another question.




Back in 1982 I bought a drivers fender for my 1970 Challenger and after I got the fender back home I noticed that the lip was rolled on it like the one in the photo.

I always thought someone did if for tire clearance and it wasn't a factory roll since it was so crude looking.

Since the fender is on the car I doubt I could get a good photo of it, plus I put the wheel lip moulding on it so it probablly wouldn't show up very well in a photo.

Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: Beebuzzn] #829462
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Here is the wheel lip molding off my A66 Challenger. My car is a Hamtramck and I was told the R/T was LA built.

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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: Alaskan_TA] #829463
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All 1970 Challengers with AC got a 26" radiator.

I have still not seen any 1970 Challengers with rolled fenders from the factory.........




Barry,

Rob (ShelbyDog) started a thread on c-c.com a while ago about this topic his 70 chally had two different fenders on it one seemed to flare slightly and the other didnt. Not sure if they were factory orig's or not, but there was a difference for sure.

Don


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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: The Cuda Guy] #829464
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Here are some pics and info. The Fender is now for sale.

This was from my old thread in the WIW section. Most of the pics are gone but I save a few of my own.
The fender is for sale and I can take it to the Mopar Indoor Indy Swap Meet this weekend , (March 5, 11 if someone is interested. $1150.

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=49349.45

My 71 challenger convertible was wrecked on the driver's side left front, a long time ago, before I got it. Someone replaced the driver's fender, then is sat never to be finished, changing hands several times. The fender still has the part number on the inside. 3579625

It was put on the car and sprayed behind the headlight buckets. It was never painted besides a light coat of primer, so it has very light surface rust and a little rust on the insde by the buckets. It is a T-A replacement fender that has the special outward curve on the body line for the bigger tires. You can only see it if you eyeball down a T-A fender and eyeball a regular fender. T/A owners know of this bulge. I'm not talking about a rolled fender lip. It has the cutout in front, shown in the picture below.




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I have never heard of this bulge you speak of? Got any photos?




Barry, My friend already had his T/A in 1980 when I bought my R/T. Parked side by side, looking down the line from the rear bumper, I could see the bulge on the front fenders on both driver and passenger side. You have to have a regular fendered car next to a T/A to see it. On my replacement fender, I see the same bulge that I saw 28 years ago. My original passenger fender doesn't have it. If you have original fenders on your T/A, you should see the difference when parked next to a standard one. My part number is 3579625

This picture shows the bulge on the Jeff's gunmetal challenger side by side next to my original R/T non-bulge fender. His fender was a replacement T/A fender, with the cutout. His driver's side is original and doesn't have the bulge or the cutout.







It has to be on the car to see it.

The original 1970 Chrysler parts book shows this fender as one for the Trans Am Challenger with F60X 14 tires.
I think the body shop needed a fender and just ordered the one that was available.

From the January 1972 parts catalog for Challenger:

3419878-9 1970, except F60x15" tires
3579380-1 1970, with F60-15" tires
3579380-1 1971, with F60-15" tires
3579624-5 Trans. Am, w/F60x14 tires


Rob
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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: ShelbyDogg] #829465
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The original 1970 Chrysler parts book shows this fender as one for the Trans Am Challenger with F60X 14 tires.




No such thing. Trans Am cars used 15 inch wheels.

Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: KISSAlien] #829466
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Was looking at old posts regarding the differences in challenger fenders that were produced. I am just getting around to start the restoration of an A66, 340 challenger convertible I have owned since 1979. Started looking into the NOS fenders I purchased for the car in the early 1980's. Just a perspective on all the posts: I had purchased two fenders with original part numbers on the back from the same dealership I had a connection with (garage net cost back in my mechanic's days) I sold the original driver's fender off the car at that time and put on the new fender. Now, I checked the numbers/details of this fender sitting on the car unpainted for all these years. This fender is part number 3579625 (# for a challenger TA). This fender also has the "71" front cutout on the front by where the hood bumper would go, but has no threaded provision for the hood bumper. It is also rolled in the center for clearance.

The second NOS fender I purchased at the time is part # 3579624, a right side challenger TA fender. This has no front fender cutout like the left side fender, is also rolled at the wheel well top and has the threaded insert for the hood bumper. This one was never put on the car and was in storage since that time.
Finally, I checked out the original fender, right side, the lip has the roll back, hood bumper insert, and no cut out as a normal fender would appear.
The interchange list in the above post was very interesting in noting these differences. The car is an A66 convertible with original
E-60 -15 tires on factory rallys (build early October 1969)
Even when I purchased the two NOS fenders at about the same time with corresponding part numbers (624-625) there were differences between them. Just very interesting, as I drill down into doing a review of my 340 chall convert.

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1970 A-66 340 Challenger convertible
Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: 340challconvert] #829467
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Just a bit of clarity on this: 1970 Challenger Hemi fender.

A.) The Creative mods were not a roll to the fender lip, we tried to press the lip flat against the fender.It was bumpy B.) The moldings were discarded. C.)The brace shown above was removed,trimmed back to the width of the lip on the outside and as far back as possible on the inside. D.) The area reworked on the lip was mush less than the fender shown above.E.)The factory modified fenders were stamped for clearance not pinched,rolled or anything else.

I agree there is no TA fender.

There is a part number listed for the Factory stamped fender in the master hemi only part list.Yes there is only 1 list and not in my possession I do not have that number.

It may have been possible that some went to other cars to clear them out.That is pure conjecture on my part as I do have some knowledge of the the way they did things.

Last point factory change to stamped fender was in early March 70 not Feb 70


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Re: Hemi Rolled Fenders on 70 Ebody (Challenger) [Re: mike s] #829468
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Mike
Appreciate your thoughts on this. I apparently have two of the factory stamped clearance fenders. Another interesting point; both fenders still have the part sticker on the back next to the stamped part number (624-625) The driver's fender has the "71" cutout and is shipping dated 1980, while the other fender must have been lying around the dealership and has a 1977 shipping date on the sticker (no cutout on fender lip)
Not looking to set a new legal precedent, just trying to determine what I have. I checked my January 1972 parts book and it does list 14 inch Trans Am fenders as the 624-25 part numbers, a car that never existed. I guess these were the last factory stampings of the 70-71 fenders sold as replacements? I never noticed any differences till I started looking.


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