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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: StrokerPost] #818975
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Forgive my ignorance of "class racing", but, whats the point of a V10 chally? I thought that class cars had to have engines that are available in production vehicles? Or did I miss an earlier announcement?





NHRA rulebook has a little note that requests for exceptions can be made for limited run cars or combos.

I forgot the wording & don't feel like digging for an old NHRA rulebook at the moment.

Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: sixpackbee] #818976
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I think it is cool right up to the 2 speed trans in a heavy car. Crazy. At least put a 3 speed in it.




why ? a ton of 3000 lb cars run a glide. it will fly with the right converter and less costly than 3 speed
translated which means a 7k proflite would be needed to replace a 3 speed for serious racing. that would be an automatic cost increase


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Will the trans be called a MoParGLide?

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Ok where's ZIPPY with the good inside info ??


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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: HEMIFRED] #818979
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why ? a ton of 3000 lb cars run a glide. it will fly with the right converter and less costly than 3 speed
translated which means a 7k proflite would be needed to replace a 3 speed for serious racing. that would be an automatic cost increase



I don't think this will be a 3000 lb. car. Even so a three speed would accelerate better. Once it became legal to put TH in place of a Glide in SS most racers could not do it quick enough. The full blown Rosler glide is not much less than a Pro Flite. I still say it is a mistake but opinions will vary.


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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: Mancini Racing] #818980
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Well...it looks like I picked a really good week to go on vacation

It's encouraging to see positive comments;
DP has been a ton of work and there is much more to do yet, it's nice to see it paying off already with happiness and compliments.

Sorry I had to deny it's existence for so long, everyone who asked (including David) knows secrets are normal, and the way things are done....once sworn to secrecy, that was that for what seemed like an eternity. It is one heck of a relief to get that V-10 powered cat outta the bag and get things rollin'.


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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: ZIPPY] #818981
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I sure know that Zippy!

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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: Mancini Racing] #818982
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I couldn't help it...I had to check out classracer dot com to see the reaction. They are close to armed insurrection over there. For years they whined about no spectators for Stock Eliminator, now that there is something to draw them they whine about that.

A revival of the old Chrysler/Ford rivalry from the mid sixties may be just the shot in the arm the sport needs. If GM gets involved, that would be better. But, those of us who were there remember that GM was not a major player in the mid sixties doorslammer wars, regardless of what is believed, and the sport still thrived. The Ford/Chrysler wars are what moved drag racing to the front burner...they put the money in it, and pushed for the exposure. It could happen again...deja vu all over again. I lived through it the first time, and it is really, really neat to think I could see it again.

I race Nostalgia because I'm a nostalgia type of guy. But, I think this is neat. What is neat, to me, is that with all the different DP combos it is concieveable that Chrysler will OWN the top several classes in Stock Eliminator.

Now, that IS cool.

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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: Steve1118] #818983
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The Stock/Super Stock racers who run the traditional "musclecar" combinations are a bit upset due to soft HP/weight factors of the Drag Paks and CJ Stangs.

They want NHRA to dump the new cars into a EFI class or even a "A/FX, B/FX, C/FX, D/FX" struture.

I understand their concerns and hopefully NHRA can come to some resolution and keep everyone happy.

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the Dp's and Cj's are an abomination in Stock eliminator. They are purpose built race cars not available to the general public or street legal. They belong in Super/Stock with the proper HP ratings.


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Will the trans be called a MoParGLide?




Chrysler did have their own 2-speed, in the '50's I think, called a Powerflite!

But I also don't understand using a 2-speed from a performance standpoint or that it's probably based on a Powerglide, even if it is an all-aftermarket unit.

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Will the trans be called a MoParGLide?




Chrysler did have their own 2-speed, in the '50's I think, called a Powerflite!

But I also don't understand using a 2-speed from a performance standpoint or that it's probably based on a Powerglide, even if it is an all-aftermarket unit.




Myron, could it be that the Big V10 has more than enuff torque for the lighter Chally? That would be my guess as to why the PG or 2speed Poweflite

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With the proper gear, and convertor, that 2 speed will be just fine, and with only one shift down track a animal to run in the bracket program. It states trans with "roll control" Can we assume it means trans brake? If so every racer in Stock will want NHRA to allow them for everyone...


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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: JERICOGTX] #818988
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Dave, That could be a safe assumption. But possibly a Powerglide-based trans on a factory built car?

Yea, trans brakes in Stock would be another step in the wrong direction. There may be more details we aren't aware of, but it's hard to imagine an engine with well over 100 more cubic inches than a 6.1 Hemi and "Unique engine calibration" being classified in Stock, unless NHRA starts them with and even more conservative HP rating than the other Drag Pack engines. But 512 cubic inches is the only engine spec we have to go on and compare with at the moment.

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I don't think this will be a 3000 lb. car. Even so a three speed would accelerate better. Once it became legal to put TH in place of a Glide in SS most racers could not do it quick enough. The full blown Rosler glide is not much less than a Pro Flite. I still say it is a mistake but opinions will vary.




drag pac weighs 3100 ? Rossler is still a glide and proflite a 3 speed ?
Ford is also using a glide in both Cobra supercharger Mustang versions


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So Zippy, is Mopar going to offer V10 motor mounts, swap headers, etc as well?


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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: BBR] #818991
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9.40's just a rumor or ???


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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: BBR] #818992
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I don't have all the program details memorized, and I will have to wait to give a definite answer.

However I would believe so...because for the past two years, all the special pieces were accounted for with P numbers in the MP catalogs + the documents that come with the car. Whatever small items that could not be easily documented, a person could call up and ask about.

The parts program will most likely be secondary to the car program (as in previous years) so it might be awhile before everything is etched in stone.


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Re: 2011 Challenger Drag Pak [Re: ZIPPY] #818993
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The specs were published last night:

Rear axle "Strange, 9" Gear" . . . so does this mean it comes with a Ford 9"-type instead of a Dana 60 type?


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Mopar body and motor, GM trans, Ford rear...all one big happy family!
I do like the idea of a/fx, b/fx, etc. Would these classes be for stock competition, or super stock? are there enough cars to make f/x it's own class? Lots of possibilities there.


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