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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Quicktree] #782264
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Any theory as to why the Ford and Chevies get the ARP hardware?



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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782265
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Any theory as to why the Ford and Chevies get the ARP hardware?


they sell more of them, making the cost go down. only problem I see is the hint of deception with the ARP nuts. if they hadn't used them they would have easily been discovered.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Quicktree] #782266
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if they hadn't used them they would have easily been discovered.




they knew thats exactly what they were doing.... "deception"


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: HEMIFRED] #782267
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as far as the mopar mini starter the bolts go to the trans housing is a glide housing drilled and tapped for this???

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: GregCon] #782268
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BC is the oil and gas and capital of North America? I find that hard to believe.




I have 2 Shop locations, 1 in B.C., the other 3 hrs away in Calgary Alberta.
Alberta being the North American "Capital" I was referencing, (with "proven" Oil reserves second only to Saudi Arabia).


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Challenger340] #782269
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they could easily put this fire out, theres still time.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Deepockets] #782270
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they could easily put this fire out, theres still time.




sure they could, and yes there is...
i'm sure they're only looking at the immediate bottom line at this point. any major manufacterer would have issued a recall. that would likely be very expensive and it also admits that the problem is widespread. instead they choose to replace studs individually which will cost them far less money for the immediate future.
i'm convinced they'd rather let a few engines desintegrate rather than admit any fault.


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Performance Only] #782271
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they could easily put this fire out, theres still time.




sure they could, and yes there is...
i'm sure they're only looking at the immediate bottom line at this point. any major manufacterer would have issued a recall. that would likely be very expensive and it also admits that the problem is widespread. instead they choose to replace studs individually which will cost them far less money for the immediate future.
i'm convinced they'd rather let a few engines desintegrate rather than admit any fault.




thats a shame isnt it.......


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782272
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Any theory as to why the Ford and Chevies get the ARP hardware?




Because that is 90% of their business. Imagine if the GM or Ford guys found out they were using fake ARP studs. World would be out of business, LOL

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Devilbrad] #782273
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While we're waiting on the metallugical report from Challenger340, does anyone know what specs these studs should meet? I wonder why the world rep. would say that their studs meet mopar specs. It's not a mopar-built block, and not an OEM application. If the ones tested meet ARP specs, or fall way below, the answer is clear. But what are the real minimum specs these studs need to be??

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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: varunner] #782274
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I wonder why the world rep. would say that their studs meet mopar specs. It's not a mopar-built block, and not an OEM application.




Cause World is just plain shady! Bottom line... they seem to have alot of "vague" comments!


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: varunner] #782275
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While we're waiting on the metallugical report from Challenger340, does anyone know what specs these studs should meet? I wonder why the world rep. would say that their studs meet mopar specs. It's not a mopar-built block, and not an OEM application. If the ones tested meet ARP specs, or fall way below, the answer is clear. But what are the real minimum specs these studs need to be??





It's my understanding that these blocks were built to replace the MP blocks. My alum. block says MOPAR on it.(see pic) So the World Products tech was saying that MOPAR specs were complied with for the main studs.I would be surprised if these studs will meet OEM requirements if so many are stretching or breaking. It would be interesting to know what those specs are.

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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782276
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Well, It seems bad news always travels fast! I shipped 3 of these aluminum blocks to Australia earlier this year. Just checked one to find the no name main studs with ARP nuts and cross bolts.It seems to me incomprehensible that World Products are prepared to comprimise the integrity of these blocks and its future reputation to save perhaps $20 or $30 in production costs. Even if the ARP studs were offered as a $50 upgrade on the block purchase I doubt anyone would opt for the no name studs if they were given a choice. I, like others, thought they were fitted with ARP fastners based on the nuts and cross bolts.
AS TO WORLDS REPONSE:
I personaly work in the retail industry here in Australia and to me this could potentialy be a public relations nightmare for the company. In retail we work on the theory that every customer that has a percieved bad experience potentially up to 100 people will here about it directly or indirectly.
From World Products point of view this should be about damage control to there brand. It doesnt matter if their engine builder/representative vouches for the integrity of the studs we are past that now. More than one other competent engine builder has raised legitimate concerns with these studs along with the perception of customers who feel they have been deceived. World Products themselves by changing to ARP fastners in all future blocks only reinforces this perception. We all make mistakes in life knowingly or unknowingly and from a buisness point of view its how you choose to deal with the problem. In the interests of customer relations I feel World Products should offer anyone who purchased a block already and is uncomfortable with the studs a set of ARP free of charge. I hope someone at World Produts reads this post and gives it some consideration.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Teamx] #782277
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IMHO if going to an after-market block is to be considered an upgrade, to our performance engines, (and I bet World wants us to see it as such) then why would we spend that much money to upgrade to a block fitted with fasteners that could unravel it all?
Consider the upgrades folks here put into the main caps on factory engines, alum main caps, girdles, etc. It is obvious to me we would want the best fasteners in our new after-market blocks. Adjust the selling price accordingly. The Mopar blocks are already more $ than Ford and Chevy.
But wait! They knew it! They did put ARP nuts on them!



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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782278
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They got it half right, never heard of a ARP nut failing.


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: rowin4] #782279
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After all the problems I had with my first world aluminum block and now this I will never buy another product from world. I also know for a fact that when I assembled my engine the main studs had no markings on them. So as of this time even after 150 passes my car will be parked until the engine gets torn down.

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Has anyone got an answer to the manufacture origin of the "no name studs"?

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I can't wait for the metallurgist report!!! WORLD is too much of cowards to man up what "studs" they are... I bet it's cause they don't even know!


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Challenger340] #782282
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In Response to the above;
I will be shipping all the Studs in question, which I feel are defective, for a complete Mettallurgical Analysis, both Destructive Tensile & Non-D, Rockwell, etc., etc., full spectrum.




My point being,
stay tuned,
I WILL have a Full Report on the Studs, and their compliance with any "known" Industrial Standards ASAP.




This is great!
I anxiously await your findings!



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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: B G Racing] #782283
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Has anyone got an answer to the manufacture origin of the "no name studs"?



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