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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: moparniac]
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08/27/10 10:37 PM
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Al_Alguire
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Well not much of a dog in this hunt, I have built three of the World block engines however. So here are a few things to ponder. First off it says nowhere that they use ARP studs correct? So I do not see any issue there. The blocks I have done were all fine, had no issues with stud torque and do not recall any issues with them. However, why ARP nuts but not studs? Seems almost borderline shady, I imagine most folks see the ARP nut and ASSUME the stud is as well. Well you know what they say about assuming anything. I also own a shop and go above and beyond on almost a daily basis to make customers happy. But that is my choice. Seems World does state they will replace any fastener found to be defective within its warranty guidelines. Sounds like the automotive aftermarket manufacturer thing to say, most woudl reply the saem way.
I think World is kinda getting thrown under the bus here. Not totally undeserving however. Seems maybe there was a slight deception going on with the nut/stud deal. But knowledgeable guys know about that issue. Blaming any failure on the end user is well kind of gutless IMO. FWIW I had an issue with a World block. It was a BBC Merlin block. Had the oil gallies drilled into the water jackets. They took care of it and sent out a fresh new block to replace it and told me to keep the bad one. It was subsequently fixed and it still in use now.
SG why is the KB not an option for you? I run one and it works great...
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: Evil Spirit]
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08/27/10 10:44 PM
08/27/10 10:44 PM
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RylisPro
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Why do the studs only go halfway through the nuts?
The motor is not assembled yet and nuts have no torque on them
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: Evil Spirit]
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08/27/10 10:49 PM
08/27/10 10:49 PM
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Benton, IL.
DaveRS23
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Although I doubt that World will miss the business, it is looking like their response may cost them more that the cost of a few sets of main studs. Maybe it will mean a little more business for KB. 
Master, again and still
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: CompWedgeEngines]
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08/27/10 10:53 PM
08/27/10 10:53 PM
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Rock Springs
Bob_Coomer
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Where is the "foot in mouth" smiles at?? LOL
Of coarse it was the torque wrench, what was we thinking..
So those bolts were just as good as ARP bolts? Even though World has decided to replace them now with all ARP fasteners just like Ford and Chevy? Why order or deal with them in the first place if you have a contract with ARP for your main supplier?
Bottom line
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First let me say that My bolts had NO torque problems, there where cycled at least 3 times minimal. Once when from the factory, I actually checked them when I broke them loose with my torque wrench. Then I slapped in some bearings and measured ID for bearing clearance with the dial bore gauge. Then again during final assembly.
My torque wrench is made by Proto..Its probably 15-20 years old....I check it 2-3 times a year for accuracy. The Snap-On man has a checking tool mounted in his truck..Just takes a few seconds to verify readings...
Let me say its pretty lame to start crying about inferior "China" made torque wrenches, that by chance some might use...
Im just saying this web site reaches people on a global level, and news about bad company ethics and poor parts will spread faster than a snotty nose at the local day care.
Especially In the days of this economy when there is several diff choice of the same part...for the same money..
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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08/27/10 10:59 PM
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CompWedgeEngines
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To clarify, I use Snap On torque wrenches, and actually do calibrate them. Calibration sticker is on them all.I had access to a precision tool and die shop where my brother worked, and he would also certify my mics.Far from Chinese quality.
I also have a KD dial type torque wrench, and it is very accurate.
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: DarkSideofNY]
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08/27/10 11:40 PM
08/27/10 11:40 PM
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Dandridge TN
Dabee
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Hi guys, Im Chuck and I will represent WORLD Products. The ARP stud kit is $112.99 at Summit.
Im also the new MOPAR guy here and am currently building an all aluminum 540cu World HEMI.
So I feel your pain with the studs, I even checked
mine, and they are ARP. Any questions you guys have fire away and I will find you an answer.
The boss over here at World is now aware of the problem and has issued a statement to our foundry where both the iron and aluminum are cast. All if any left non ARP hardware is being discarded.
ONLY ARP hardware will be used and to our knowledge that is what was sold. We are currently going through the HEMI and WEDGE inventory here at WORLD to make sure this does not happen again.
CHUCK
Does any one have the part number for the ARP main stud kit for the world block? I have a new set of ARP studs for an OEM 440 block that I was going to use, but the junk studs out of the world block are longer, so I don’t think the ARP studs I have will work. The shop that is machining my world block told me today that the world studs torque to 100 foot pounds and felt solid. The line bore was dead on. He said they think the studs will be okay. He did say there were other problems with the block. The lifter bores and oil pump shaft busing were both under size and had to be honed. No big deal there. I’m not going to gamble on the world studs. I called Summit and they don’t have a listing for the ARP kit that ol chucky boy at world claims they have for $112.99. Hay chuck, how about giving us a part number? Better yet why doesn’t world man up and stand behind their product and replace the junk studs they installed with ARP studs?
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: RylisPro]
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08/27/10 11:53 PM
08/27/10 11:53 PM
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MR_P_BODY
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Indy may not be Keith Black but at least their studs are ARP
The cross bolts are marked "DB". Would they matter as much? 
One thing I dont like is that the stud ISNT long
enough in the pics.... sure doesnt look like the
stud diameter sticking into the nut... thats a minimum
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: rowin4]
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08/27/10 11:57 PM
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Dandridge TN
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The Part # for the ARP World block main studs is 145-5603
Thanks, I just ordered a set from Summit!
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: rowin4]
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08/27/10 11:59 PM
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rowin4
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Got a e-mail back from Paul on the main cap side bolts . Seems there not all ARP, 12 point head are , 6 point are as he say's generic. 40-45 ft.lbs for the 12 point with oil , DO NOT TORQUE THE 6 POINT BEYOND 35ft.lbs with oil 
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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08/28/10 12:01 AM
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RylisPro
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One thing I dont like is that the stud ISNT long enough in the pics....
fixed
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: RylisPro]
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08/28/10 12:05 AM
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MR_P_BODY
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fixed Much better... I assume you just backed the stud out of the block some
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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08/28/10 12:11 AM
08/28/10 12:11 AM
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RylisPro
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I assume you just backed the stud out of the block some
The block has no crank so the nuts have NO torque I just hand tightened the nut and took a photo...
ah whatever... I give up... 
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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08/28/10 12:31 AM
08/28/10 12:31 AM
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RylisPro
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When you gonna have that thing done?
Haha! When I earn the money!
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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION
[Re: CompWedgeEngines]
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08/28/10 01:43 AM
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These studs are not ARP. More recently World Products chose to switch to the ARP brand studs, not because we found them to necessarily be better, but to align ourselves with the hardware being utilized on our Chevy and Ford blocks.
statements like the one above remind me of campaign promises and legalese doublespeak. utter nonsense comes to mind. i'd like to be more positive, but having witnessed the stud problem firsthand, all i can say is that it's a real problem.
World was already "aligned" with ARP but obviously chose initially not to use the ARP product for some reason. one can only guess the reasoning behind that move and the more recent shift towards ARP.
i wonder how long it'll take for warranty replacement of the defective studs?
I'm happy World (or anyone for that matter) is making Mopar engine blocks, but i've been on the recieving end of thier customer support more than once, and it ranked right up there with lackluster. best of luck to those affected.
machine shop owner and engine builder
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