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Great topic, and another ?

Which is a better manifold, the BB six pack or the small block manifold itself.

My slightly modified sb likes 7k max, ive run it to 7600 but it seems to fall of at 7.

Good Vid...pretty mild combo but the six pack works well..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxsguEwUgew

As far as stock for stock in the early 80s two friends, one had a very much stock 69 340/4 speed 3.91 Dart. Another an AAR Stock auto with 3.55s.

I know of no mods on the aar, the only thing we could tell on the dart was it had the big plastic spreadbore on it and it must of been lean as it got run hard and when running top end blasts you could eat a plug strap.

No getting back to the cars...I would say out of about 10 runs over a couple year period it was always the dart by a car length weather from a dead stop or a slow roll. stick/3.91 vs auto/3.55.

Both the aar and the dart were good running stockers and even in the early 80-s matching numbers, NOS, fender tags, never entered our minds just two cars on a country road doing what they were built to do...and them were some fun times.

Ive never run a tricked out T quad, but im leaning to one on a stock manifold/in a stroker motor in a driver project im working on.

I hate to ask the cost of a good 1000cfm unit, but then again it would still be cheaper then the full SP setup.

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That would be an interesting topic! I think that the AAR was lacking in the gear department to run
EVEN with the Dart. The AAR might have had close
to 200 pounds extra weight to run with. Maybe the
combo of these factors could have been corrected
and the race would have been even, who knows. It
goes back to airflow, and how efficiently the motor breathes!! Seems like the stick/TQ combo
had a slight advantage over the auto/sixpack setup. Had the AAR ran 3.91's also, things would have been REALLY interesting!!!

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Great topic, and another ?

Which is a better manifold, the BB six pack or the small block manifold itself.

My slightly modified sb likes 7k max, ive run it to 7600 but it seems to fall of at 7.

Good Vid...pretty mild combo but the six pack works well..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxsguEwUgew

As far as stock for stock in the early 80s two friends, one had a very much stock 69 340/4 speed 3.91 Dart. Another an AAR Stock auto with 3.55s.

I know of no mods on the aar, the only thing we could tell on the dart was it had the big plastic spreadbore on it and it must of been lean as it got run hard and when running top end blasts you could eat a plug strap.

No getting back to the cars...I would say out of about 10 runs over a couple year period it was always the dart by a car length weather from a dead stop or a slow roll. stick/3.91 vs auto/3.55.

Both the aar and the dart were good running stockers and even in the early 80-s matching numbers, NOS, fender tags, never entered our minds just two cars on a country road doing what they were built to do...and them were some fun times.

Ive never run a tricked out T quad, but im leaning to one on a stock manifold/in a stroker motor in a driver project im working on.

I hate to ask the cost of a good 1000cfm unit, but then again it would still be cheaper then the full SP setup.

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A GOOD 1000 cfm TQ setup would be equivalent to
the factory six pack setup, engine depending (cubes, compression, cam timing, exhaust tuning
and ignition setup/timing). The cost may be on a sliding scale depending on the engine also!! Either one you can,t go wrong!! Thanks for the
input, fellow members!! You have given me food for thought!!

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Hyper ..... put DOWN that fattie and step-back from that keyboard ....and "eat" some of that food-for-thought !!

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Mediators please step in at any time!! I have ZERO tolerance for the sarcasm OR stupidity.

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Hyper ..... put DOWN that fattie and step-back from that keyboard ....and "eat" some of that food-for-thought !!

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If this is the thoughts and professionalism of a
Thermoquad expert, no wonder why so many members RUN HOLLEYS!! Scott Smith you've got my vote.

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six pack will only open the outboards either too fast, to slow, or just what the engine needs (ie not fully open), depending on the spring.

thermobogs put all four blades on end when you firewall it, and the air valve open fairly fast without the dreaded "bog".. as long as a wanna be tuner never touched it.

so my vote goes to the T-bog.

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I am a very firm belelver in the T-Quad, I love them and I put them on everything but even I have to admit, they are THE ugliest carb EVER made!

I think the Holley HP carbs look the best but I can never get them to run right and they sure drink gas too.

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six pack will only open the outboards either too fast, to slow, or just what the engine needs (ie not fully open), depending on the spring.

thermobogs put all four blades on end when you firewall it, and the air valve open fairly fast without the dreaded "bog".. as long as a wanna be tuner never touched it.

so my vote goes to the T-bog.

YAY!

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I've run both. Both will bog and both will not open fully if they are not set-up. It has nothing to do with the equipment it has to do with the operator. AND I CAN SAY that when the outboards open on a 6-pack it's WAAAAAAY more of a kick in thattail than when the 2ndaries on a TQ open. Not even close.

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six pack will only open the outboards either too fast, to slow, or just what the engine needs (ie not fully open), depending on the spring.

thermobogs put all four blades on end when you firewall it, and the air valve open fairly fast without the dreaded "bog".. as long as a wanna be tuner never touched it.

so my vote goes to the T-bog.

YAY!

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I've run both. Both will bog and both will not open fully if they are not set-up. It has nothing to do with the equipment it has to do with the operator. AND I CAN SAY that when the outboards open on a 6-pack it's WAAAAAAY more of a kick in thattail than when the 2ndaries on a TQ open. Not even close.

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well I've driven BOTH and I can tell you that the T-bog gives WAAAAAAY more of a kick in the A$$ then the six pack. Not even MEGAclose.

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six pack will only open the outboards either too fast, to slow, or just what the engine needs (ie not fully open), depending on the spring.

thermobogs put all four blades on end when you firewall it, and the air valve open fairly fast without the dreaded "bog".. as long as a wanna be tuner never touched it.

so my vote goes to the T-bog.

YAY!

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I've run both. Both will bog and both will not open fully if they are not set-up. It has nothing to do with the equipment it has to do with the operator. AND I CAN SAY that when the outboards open on a 6-pack it's WAAAAAAY more of a kick in thattail than when the 2ndaries on a TQ open. Not even close.

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well I've driven BOTH and I can tell you that the T-bog gives WAAAAAAY more of a kick in the A$$ then the six pack. Not even MEGAclose.

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six pack must not have been setup right. Never seen a t-quad outrun 1 holley at the track let alone 3 of them.

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ha! obviously you don't get out much,,,
wanna be t-bog tuners always crack me up..
unwind the spring.. hell take it out THATS GOTTA be better LMAO.
I'll put my butt ugly t-bog up against a 6-pakshaquer anytime.

but the 1/24th of a keg does look GOOOOD siting on an engine.

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six pack will only open the outboards either too fast, to slow, or just what the engine needs (ie not fully open), depending on the spring.

thermobogs put all four blades on end when you firewall it, and the air valve open fairly fast without the dreaded "bog".. as long as a wanna be tuner never touched it.

so my vote goes to the T-bog.

YAY!

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I've run both. Both will bog and both will not open fully if they are not set-up. It has nothing to do with the equipment it has to do with the operator. AND I CAN SAY that when the outboards open on a 6-pack it's WAAAAAAY more of a kick in thattail than when the 2ndaries on a TQ open. Not even close.

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well I've driven BOTH and I can tell you that the T-bog gives WAAAAAAY more of a kick in the A$$ then the six pack. Not even MEGAclose.

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six pack must not have been setup right. Never seen a t-quad outrun 1 holley at the track let alone 3 of them.

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Thats an intelligent statment a lot of the buick guys use them in place of the QJ for more flow on the 455 http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=168155

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Any temperature fluxuation and I had to tinker with that air door again.

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DOOR tinkering ...do it once ..and do-it correct ...with the RIGHT tool !

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