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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #779612
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"You'd have to have one hell of an engine fire to melt a TQ body, I think allot of those "My TQ melted" stories are highly exaggerated, they are made of a heat resistant RIM injection molded copolymer, it's actually pretty hard to melt it short of using a blow torch on it"

I loved my TQ on my old 440 charger. Unfortunitly I let my bor use it while I was over seas, He loaded it up and it backfired, Don't know how he did it but the carb never worked after that. I even rebuilt it and had a pro take a stab at it.

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #779613
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He loaded it up and it backfired, Don't know how he did it but the carb never worked after that. I even rebuilt it and had a pro take a stab at it.





Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.

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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: HotRodDave] #779614
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So how many power valves do you have to replace on a six pack after a backfire?


Only one just like any other old holley out there...And if it's backfiring your not getting fuel mileage or performance tuned like that !!! ...I'll take the 6 pack thank you...I can show you the good gas mileage I get right up to the point where the other two carbs come in... ..

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #779615
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Hey Scott, Here's the thing... Chrysler thinks its 15hp better, NHRA thinks its 14hp better and some guy I know thinks his car doesn't go as fast with a thermoquad. How is that for scientific?

Welcome to the world of the completly obvious.

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: scatpacktom] #779616
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Tom, you and your friends have a ton of real world on track experience, no doubt, you get my full respect, and I'm not saying you are wrong or right, as I mentioned I would tend to agree that in the end a Six Pack would probably edge the TQ. However, so far have not seen any valid real world proof (controlled dyno or track testing as I described) supporting it either way, including the example you used.

Chryslers ratings were often manipulated in the name of marketing or the insurance industry, and as far as the NHRA goes, I don't agree with MANY of their factors.

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: scatpacktom] #779617
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Hey Scott, Here's the thing... Chrysler thinks its 15hp better, NHRA thinks its 14hp better and some guy I know thinks his car doesn't go as fast with a thermoquad. How is that for scientific?





Question- 15hp better than what, the stock cast iron 340/440 intakes?

Why yes, then you would be correct.

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #779618
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I mean come on this....

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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #779619
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vs. This???? I mean this has got to be worth at least 20hp on looks alone...lol

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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #779620
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Well, since we are going on looks alone I think this one is the clear winner

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: gdonovan] #779621
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If need be I'll be happy to prove it. I'll have a new car coming out soon that I think would be the perfect test bed. It's a 72 400 Charger,TQ equipt of course. I'd have no problem swapping a pack on at the track,I own the parts. The car doesn't have fresh air so that wouldn't be a factor. I have the ability to set the A/F ratio in either setup to the other. I'm well versed in both setups. Its 8 bolts to me Sounds like fun

I'd be willing to bet on the pack by about 3 mph. If someone out there has a B engine spreadbore dual plane aftermarket intake I could borrow I bet we could close in on the pack.

We could always toss a TQ on the Bee I'm sure that would slow it right down. I would have to see if I have any 440 TQ manifolds.

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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #779622
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Well, since we are going on looks alone I think this one is the clear winner



You win...


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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: scatpacktom] #779623
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Good idea Tom! I can give you a 440 TQ intake if you need one, I'm pissed at it anyway, stubbed my toe on the turd the other day

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If someone out there has a B engine spreadbore dual plane aftermarket intake I could borrow I bet we could close in on the pack.





I concur on that theory for sure.

*Wanna try using one of my freshly restored 1000 CFM CS TQ's? No mods just a stock rebuild.

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #779624
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Since this is a question and answer forum, doesn't economy vs performance come into play. There are a lot of 4 barrel cars out the and not very many 6 pak cars. I will be replacing my Holley 750 DP with a Thermoquad. I'll bet I get much better gas mileage and more power(faster) at the strip. I have already tried the race on an engine dyno and the car was a pig at the strip. I changed cams, put on a dual plane spread bore manifold, took out the 4.30's and put in 3.23's. I realize now that a big part of my problem is a 410 stroker with Diamond rectangular port aluminum w2's. No torque down low. I'll let you know after I go to Sacrmento in September. Top gun dragstrip @ 4000' won't tell me much. The car ran 13.54 @100 mph at Top Gun in June. It didn't even start to run until 330'

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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #779625
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Well, since we are going on looks alone I think this one is the clear winner




Speaks for itself!!



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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #779626
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I have ran 2 440s with the Edelbrock dual quad package. 2 500 cfm carbs with a 1 to 1 linkage. Great great and GREAT performance and looks! I know it not a mopar OEM offering but it is an era correct hi po set up. Its about half the price of a sixpack and easier/less expensive to tune. Id LOVE to see a shootout between the Six Pack and the Edelbrock CH28 with 2 4bbls.


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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: 2boltmain] #779627
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I have ran 2 440s with the Edelbrock dual quad package. 2 500 cfm carbs with a 1 to 1 linkage. Great great and GREAT performance and looks! I know it not a mopar OEM offering but it is an era correct hi po set up. Its about half the price of a sixpack and easier/less expensive to tune. Id LOVE to see a shootout between the Six Pack and the Edelbrock CH28 with 2 4bbls.




They (Chrysler) did offer a 2-4bbl inline setup
for the RB motor in the late 50's - early 60's.
The EDDY piece you have is a good design, lightweight and WITHOUT core shift (very little restriction in airflow). The shootout would awesome - try all three!!


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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #779628
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The 6 pack is better. Period.

Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: babarracuda] #779629
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Since this is a question and answer forum, doesn't economy vs performance come into play. There are a lot of 4 barrel cars out the and not very many 6 pak cars. I will be replacing my Holley 750 DP with a Thermoquad. I'll bet I get much better gas mileage and more power(faster) at the strip. I have already tried the race on an engine dyno and the car was a pig at the strip. I changed cams, put on a dual plane spread bore manifold, took out the 4.30's and put in 3.23's. I realize now that a big part of my problem is a 410 stroker with Diamond rectangular port aluminum w2's. No torque down low. I'll let you know after I go to Sacrmento in September. Top gun dragstrip @ 4000' won't tell me much. The car ran 13.54 @100 mph at Top Gun in June. It didn't even start to run until 330'




Would you up the gear to 3.90 for a comprimise with the TQ. 3.23's may be a bit too high, I could be
wrong, since I don't know how high your torque
band is and converter's stall speed if an automatic.



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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #779630
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I have no experience with a tq, but I cant complain about my 6pack, it just runs good. I have used a performer rpm airgap with a carter avs- I wasn't too impressed, then I went to the sixpack on a Weiand/mopar crossram- it ran a hell of a lot better, but didn't really pull below 3k. Then I swapped to a factory sixpack manifold, low end came back strong, but it did lose a bit up top.


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Re: Thermoquad vs. Six Pack/Six Barrel. Which is best ? [Re: HPMike] #779631
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