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Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: xs29j8] #777196
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Going back to the Holiday Inn from the race track... going about 10-15 MPH over the posted limit, were were repeatedly passed by other attendees who were flying low. Here a Super Bee followed by a Challenger T/A rapidly approach...

Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: xs29j8] #777197
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I remember some guys running their cars just outside the motels on the access road, some wild drag racing going on...and I remember standing with hundred of other people looking down on it, watching from a berm built around the road.

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Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: P1970HeMICuDA] #777198
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Ron Adair's RT/SE Hemi car....

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Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: hemicar1971] #777199
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XS29 do you have any pictures at the drag strip in Milan or St.Louis. That is were my car spent all its time. At the Chrysler Proving Grounds I just left it on the trailer.

As P1970 said, those were the days when paint dabs did not matter and having fun did.




I took about 20-25 pictures of the actual racing at Mid-America during the 1982 St Louis meet. I gave two prints to a friend that raced his car there, and most of the rest to Bob Fink, a former owner (?) of the track. I should still have the negatives somewhere, its just a matter of locating them!

Also, I guess you are talking about the 1985 Mopar Nats in Chelsea/Milan? I probably do have some racing pictures, but I will have to find them to check and see. I was fairly heavily involved with the NHOA during that period, so I might have been tied up a lot doing club tasks during that Mopar Nats/NHOA National Meet. I'll have a look when I get a chance... all the Mopar Nats & NHOA Nationals from back then are mostly blurred together for me now...

The next pic is the following Challenger T/A closing up on us...

Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: xs29j8] #777200
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...And there they go... maybe those were only "speed suggestion" signs we were seeing?...

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Not sure where/when the pic of another 1969 GTX was taken...

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After the meet, on the way back to San Antonio, we took a different route... going through Oklahoma instead of the route through Arkansas we used going to St Louis.

Here we stop to get something from the trunk of the `Cuda...

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XS29 pictures you took of the 1970 Hemi Coronet Convt. from the back with all the other cars looks like a pictures from one of the early National Hemi Owners meets that was not at the CCCC event. Yes Most of the first shows all seem to blur into each other and while there was the St.Louis event there also was one in Michigan.

I remember the show when Steve Lisk made some impressive passes in his street drive Challenger. Reminded me of my Challenger in the all out race days.


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Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: CJK440] #777204
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What I find hard to grasp is bringing a '71 Cuda to the '81 Mopar Nats would be like bringing a 2000 model today.




Pretty wild, Huh? well, you have to remember pretty much the only thing that you could buy from '75-81 was a Z28 or Trans Am, and they weren't hot as far as big motors and horsepower, and lacked the serious cool factor that these old Mopars have. Ford had nothing and Mopar was pretty pathetic, unless you wanted a truck.

Everybody knew at that point in time that these cars were becoming collectible, and would sooner buy a 10 year old Mopar instead of a new car, I know I did - the rest is History......


1970 Hemi Challenger that spoke French...

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Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: xs29j8] #777205
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On I-35 in southern Oklahoma, we are over-taken by a 440 "Six Pack" equipped 1969 GTX owned by a guy from Fort Worth who had attended the St Louis meet. His GTX had "highway gears", and he was cruising faster than the "10 over" we were running... and he wanted to play! Without a CB , cell phone, or other communications... our first sign of trouble was seeing a Rallye Red streak approaching, followed by the out-gunned GTX. But, the GTX had a trump card, road gears (2.76 or 3.23?)... while the `Cuda had 4.10s. And the GTX owner seemed ready to keep trying, regardless of speeding tickets, car impound risks, or dangers of running 120+ on I-35.

When they first blew by, I ran the GTX up to about 100 to "say hello" to our new friend, but quickly decided that I wanted to retain possession of the GTX... so I just as quickly backed back out of it. The `Cuda played with him for a couple goes at it, but then wisely backed on out too. He saw that the cards were stacked against him, and it wasn't worth getting the `Cuda impounded or breaking the Hemi. The acceleration differential had been demonstrated, now it was endurance differential's turn!

I remember having 4-5 pics of the encounter, but so far have found only this one showing the `Cuda & GTX closing up on Ken and I... hopefully I will find the others soon.

Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: xs29j8] #777206
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great pictures! Thanks! Hard to believe guys actually DROVE those cars!

Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: CJK440] #777207
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What I find hard to grasp is bringing a '71 Cuda to the '81 Mopar Nats would be like bringing a 2000 model today.




Not really, and I'll tell you why. By 1981, muscle cars were so far removed from what was on the road, they already felt "old" and "special". Maybe we pounded on them a little more, but we didn't feel a whole lot different than we feel about them today. As you know, 1971 to 1981 was a downward spiral of craptastic cars that we had not yet emerged from. The muscle era was so far removed from what was being sold. You can't say that about 2000 to 2010. For the most part, they are just appliances.

Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: hemicar1971] #777208
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XS29 pictures you took of the 1970 Hemi Coronet Convt. from the back with all the other cars looks like a pictures from one of the early National Hemi Owners meets that was not at the CCCC event. Yes Most of the first shows all seem to blur into each other and while there was the St.Louis event there also was one in Michigan.





No, I am absolutely certain the 1970 Hemi R/T was at St Louis in 1982 at the 2nd Annual CCCC event. In addition to my own clear recollection about the car being the "talk of the show", I have photographic proof at both the race track & headquarters hotel...

First at the track, the same line-up of cars facing the same directions. The 024/TC3 FWD car behind Kevin Kelleher's 71 Hemi `Cuda, behind the B5 Blue GTX, nose-to-nose with the FE5 Hemi `Cuda with the race track in the background...

Why do you believe that it was not at the 1982 CCCC?

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Photographic proof at the headquarters hotel... the same car with the same tires & wheels in several pictures. Notice the hotel building design and the various non-Hemi cars in the pictures... like the green T/A that I previously posted and apparently even the same light blue Sport Fury (?) that is seen in one of the track pics...

CSI Moparts will conclude for the night after one more post... gotta get some sleep!

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Last post for the night... three of the various CCCC member club logos & decals from that period, except the 4 inch NHOA Participant which was later in the 1980s...

Maybe some could post RTS logos... I believe they are a variant of the old Plymouth RTS logo design... anyone remember what other clubs were involved?

Goodnight all...

Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: xs29j8] #777211
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I remember the bronze 1970 R/T Hemi car well. the 1st time in Chelsea and then again in St louis , but never saw it again until it showed up in the Otis Chandler collection book.
At first I thought it was the 1 built US car , then found out about 1 each US , Canadian( this one) and the export car( sublime one) afaik, The US spec is still un-acounted for.

back in the early days you didn't see many trailers as most people drove them in

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I cought the tail end of the 85 or 86 when they were held here in MI in Ann Arbor IIRC. I attended my 1st Nat's in Columbus in 87. Didn't miss it for many years. I ended up owning this 69 R/T in 06 and a buddy pointed out that it had the Nats 87 decal on the windshield. I dug out my pics. and sure enough I had taken a photo. I purchased the car from the daughter of the original owner and she remembered taking the car to the Nat's in 87. The 1st outing for the car with a fresh paint job. I remember taking the picture of the car and waiting for the family to get out of the car. Sorry never scanned the original but here's one from when I bought the car. Still had the same tires and everything even the mudflaps that here dad added. It was a B5 on B7 buckets console auto with a 4:10 dana car. Really cool car.
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The 1st one was after I took off the flaps.
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Re: Mopar Nats- The Early Days, Pics and Stories 1981-1984 [Re: xs29j8] #777214
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XS29 I believe the Coronet was in St.Louis that year. I believe there were 580 participants at the show and quite a few made the long drive from Ontario. The Hemi Coronet was from Ontario and not far from my place. Might even see the old Ontario owner this weekend if I go to New Hamburg Car Show this Weekend in Kitchener Ontario.

I asked about the picture you posted with the back shot of the Hemi Coronet because Anatol V. showed me one from the first or second NHOA meet that looks quite similar. You will remember Anatol, he is back in the game with another Hemi to race.

I believe that there were now Three 1970 Hemi Coronet Convertables built.


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The following pics are from 1984 at Indy and then a few from 1985 At the Proving Grounds and Milan. Those were the days!




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