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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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#77263
07/17/08 04:04 PM
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Dave the brakes look great... I do have one question about the front wheel well undercoating though.... Not bashing...just asking  Your driver's side picture shows a very unique spray patteren in the front access panel/bumper bracket area. I saw the same patteren on two restored "OE Gold type" E bodys at Carlisle.  Your Passenger side (before)picture posted earlier show a completely different spray patteren and it's a much more simple shape much like the ones shown on Troy's Charger also earlier in this thread. My question is: Do you have "before" shots of each side showing totally different and more complicated patterens? 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
#77264
07/17/08 06:48 PM
07/17/08 06:48 PM
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This is another neat assembly line item(s) I was able to find from a gentleman in California, who purchased these brake setups from Chrysler in 1971 . The two pictures are original factory issue brake drum assemblies. (One old, one new.) These are not NOS service replacements. They were the ones that you got straight off the assembly line. Notice the part numbers in the wheel cylinders. The originals are exactly the same as the ones I found for this car. Keep in mind that these were complete assemblies ready to put on the car. We did not have to do anything but bolt them to the spindles.
Dave, nice! Are the shoes grooved? It appears that one of the used shoes has a groove (leading or left in your photo) I can't tell for sure and I'm probably wrong as usual?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
#77265
07/17/08 08:46 PM
07/17/08 08:46 PM
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Dave, Just an FYI: NOS wheel cylinders (when boxed under the original part number) have the same numbers stamped as the originals and your lunch pail parts (I have many of these). Some linings were of course grooved, and some not. For yourself and A12, I have no recollection of seeing riveted linings used on the production line. Also, a question: All original brake assemblies I have seen use two different hold down spring retainers. The top retainers have the depression for the end of the hold down pin. The bottom one (under the hold down spring) should have only a larger diameter round hole. Are yours configured that way? P.S. The bottom retainer was NOT serviced by Chrysler. Only the part number for the top retainer is in the parts catalog. Now you can die in peace  ! See you at Columbus, Bill Rolik
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: bremotorsports]
#77266
07/17/08 08:51 PM
07/17/08 08:51 PM
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The top retainers have the depression for the end of the hold down pin. The bottom one (under the hold down spring) should have only a larger diameter round hole.
All of the originals I have seen were like this.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: bremotorsports]
#77267
07/17/08 09:12 PM
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For yourself and A12, I have no recollection of seeing riveted linings used on the production line.
I found these riveted shoes with a Chrysler logo and don't know anymore than that.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: bremotorsports]
#77271
07/17/08 11:21 PM
07/17/08 11:21 PM
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NOS wheel cylinders (when boxed under the original part number) have the same numbers stamped as the originals and your lunch pail parts (I have many of these). Some linings were of course grooved, and some not. Also, a question: All original brake assemblies I have seen use two different hold down spring retainers. The top retainers have the depression for the end of the hold down pin. The bottom one (under the hold down spring) should have only a larger diameter round hole. Are yours configured that way?
Now you can die in peace !
If I die Bill, you will be the first I come back to haunt! I was extremely pleased (and fortunate) to find these as an assembly. I have no idea as to the washers under the springs because they have never been apart. They looked exactly like Steve’s 9000 mile Hemicuda setup so I was satisfied with their authenticity. The brakes have the single cut groove right down the center of the pad. They are not riveted!!!
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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#77273
07/18/08 12:05 AM
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Dave, Most likely, the lower retainers will have the large round hole. Very strange that they were not serviced. I am sure you realize that the statement pertaining to rivets was ONLY an FYI. Your linings should of course NOT be riveted. Working on these bombs (er.. cars) when they were new told me that riveted linings were generally found in superceded shoe/lining packages and reman sets. Either way, make sure Steve is very precise on the brake adjustment, because if the balance isn't right (assuming you put a few miles on the car anyway) you don't want to end up in the weeds. Drums LOVE to pull left or right. And please don't come back to haunt me. My convertible has the same brakes. That is concern enough for me. I'll then use my W11 "Flying Saucer" wheel covers to scare you off! Eyes getting heavy, so enough for one night. Bill Rolik
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/18/08 06:37 AM
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I know it was considered hot rod cool to paint the underside of your car's front end red in the late '60's and early '70's but did Chrysler use the red brake drums on non-HP cars too?
I think so. I once bought a 43K mile Slant 6 '72 Swinger off of the original owner and it had red painted drums. She was 70 years old when she bought the car in early '72, so I'm pretty confident it came from the factory that way. (It had Rallye wheels if that makes a difference or not.) 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: anlauto]
#77277
07/18/08 08:45 AM
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Dave the brakes look great...
I do have one question about the front wheel well undercoating though....Not bashing...just asking
Your driver's side picture shows a very unique spray patteren in the front access panel/bumper bracket area. I saw the same patteren on two restored "OE Gold type" E bodys at Carlisle.
Your Passenger side (before)picture posted earlier show a completely different spray patteren and it's a much more simple shape much like the ones shown on Troy's Charger also earlier in this thread.
My question is: Do you have "before" shots of each side showing totally different and more complicated patterens?
    
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Purestocker]
#77279
07/18/08 10:13 AM
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I thought the drume were painted red just before the wheels were installed, and they were only painted when the drum was exposed through the wheel, I have pulled many original wheels off and found red paint drips on the inside of the rim, so the paint was still wet when the wheel was installed, I have never seen a new drum with the red paint on it,???
Front or rear, or would it make a difference?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: fk5hemi]
#77281
07/18/08 11:29 AM
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David Walden
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were these red brake drums taken off of an assembled car and placed in boxes? as can see where wheel was installed on the wet paint.
I think these were actually assembly line issue that somehow got taken off and ended up back in Chrysler's stock. I don't have any proof or knowledge of why but they were boxed with a 1971 date printed on the outside of the container. We have quite a few items on this car that have original inspection marks (still on the part) that were applied by or at the Chrysler facilities. Assembly line parts with original inspection marks from 1970. It makes it very hard to question their correctness!
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