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ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? #768340
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Just had my 800 TQ restored. Runs great around the neighborhood but got back from a 40 mile trip in 85 degree temps. Shifted in 1st & 2nd, no problem but the hotter it got had all kinds of stuttering and bogging and drowneding. Couldn't get any faster than 40-42 mph. I stopped for 10 minutes, it got better for the next mile, barrely got up the hills. Engine temp was fine on the gauge, engine compartment is very hot. Was the gas boiling? Thanks


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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768341
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Better verify your coolant temp. Thermoquads are the best carb for hot temps because of the plastic center section. Fuel stays a good bit cooler. Sounds like your problem lies elsewhere unless the carb rebuild was goofed up.

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768342
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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768343
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NEED more info ......like ...

Is the carb tooo hot to touch ? ... is the intake exh-heat crossover open? .. how hot is that? what is the water temp?

WHO did the restro on the carb?

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: dOrk !] #768344
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I would think vapor lock will be a fuel line heat problem not a carb trouble. Silly question but did you look at the choke to make sure it was wide open?

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: stumpy] #768345
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Heated fuel line ? ...could be. Something for him to check. ALSO see how hot the fuel pump is. The choke-blade? ... also something to check .. but if it was closed(or close to-it) .. there would be tons of black-smoke.

LEADS to another Q ...what type of choke are you using ?

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: dOrk !] #768346
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OK, Scott Smith @ Harms did the resto, he has been a wealth of info. The car doesnot run hot on the temp gauge, heat crossover is open and has burned the newly powder coated intake, stock divorced choke is working and seems to be closing and opening correctly BUT everything is scorching HOT...the air cleaner, all the hoses and gas line. I'll check cooling fluid,again.

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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768347
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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768348
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BUT everything is scorching HOT...the air cleaner, all the hoses and gas line. I'll check cooling fluid,again.




SS knows his stuff so that is not the problem. But scorching HOT is. What is that all about? ... tight motor?

The temp guage shows OK ? .. maybe that is way-off.

What type of gasket do you have separating the carb and intake?

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768349
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Trying to not go off on a rant here. Trying REAL hard.

Look at this pic, you've got the fuel line coming up between two heat sources going to a METAL fuel filter which is basically acting like a HUGE heat soak, and , you say its gotta be the thermoquad.



Nothing really wrong with the fuel filter, except it should be down close to the fuel pump. The factory ran fuel lines near heat sources, but, todays gas boils at a lower temp. What worked then, doesn't work now. At the very least, you need to reroute and insulate the fuel line to the carb. In an extreme case, you may need to rig up a later 'three prong' fuel filter to vent off the vapors. This is what I had to do with my wagon.


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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: SattyNoCar] #768350
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ONE HUNDRED and THREE degrees in TX ? ....DAMN.

It is a nice 84 here

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: dOrk !] #768351
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Those are the factory stock TQ fuel lines. That pic doesn't show the vac advance hose which is now conected. Has nothing to do with my issue. Before the TQ I had a 670 Holley and never had any hot issues.


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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: dOrk !] #768352
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Regarding gaskets. Ihave a thin cork gasket above and below a wood fibre type 1/2" thick spacer.


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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768353
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You might have a vacuum leak making it go lean ...and then really HOT. OR ... the carb itself is lean.

How do the plugs look? ...

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: dOrk !] #768354
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I'm do for plugs. Should I go a couple of levels colder? If the engine just wants to be hot, should the colder plugs help?


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How do the plugs "read" ? .... 1 or 2 steps colder would not hurt.

I would look more-for a vac-leak though.

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Vacuum Leaks...effin things. A so-called friend took a can of carb cleaner or brake clean and sprayed it at my newly resto TQ ! Now the phenolic is fogged.


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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: PAULS_340] #768357
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I think you need to get your underhood temps in check. Your other posts regarding heat problems are probably related to this problem. Get that motor and the engine compartment as cool as you can first then see where you're at.

Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: solarguy] #768358
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Before the TQ I had a 670 Holley and never had any hot issues.




I would assume carb if you had no previous issues. Have you tuned the carb to the engine? If not start there, you may have a lean condition. Are there any other symptoms such as stumbling on take off? TQ's are tricky to tune but I like mine.

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Re: ThermoQuad vapor lock, what is it? What are symptoms? [Re: Mopar_Country] #768359
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I think we got the carb tuned to the engine, one more tweak to the secondaries. No stumbling until the engine got real hot. I want it to look pure stock but i'm going to reroute the fuel filter away from the heater hoses.


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