Grounding issue- Who would have thought it !!
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08/03/10 11:20 PM
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I installed the battery in the trunk of my Satellite, ran a full #1 positive and ground up to the starter and the ground to the block. I have a ten ga. wire from the intake to the firewall. I ran a 14 ga. ground from the battery to the trunk hinge support where I have the fuel pump relay mounted. I have a removable connector on the battery ground which I disconnect when I am not driving the car, but the 14 ga. wire stays connected to keep the radio and alarm functioning. I find it amazing, that when I frequently forget to reconnect the ground cable to the battery, the car will start up with just the 14 ga. as the sole ground connection !!! It will only start once, but did I mention this is a 528 Hemi ?? I sure never thought that would work and the wire sure gets hot! If I thought this was an anti-theft device, I guess I should go to a 20 ga. wire !! Anyone else experience this ?
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Re: Grounding issue- Who would have thought it !!
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08/03/10 11:42 PM
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one wire alternator or none? one wire will seek a ground thru the case and not need a battery ground connection
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Re: Grounding issue- Who would have thought it !!
[Re: Lee446]
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08/04/10 01:15 AM
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Sport440
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Your connection on the 14 gauge ground would be very short and is capable of carrying a high amp for a very short time. Your starter is probably pulling around 70 to 125 amps or less. So a "shorty" 14 gauge link can crank it a few times before it lights up like a lite bulb. I wouldnt make a practice of it though. A 14 gauge wire carrying Amp capacity, will depend on wire length, ambient air temperature and amp draw time. And as you found out, you get about one shot on a unknown most likely around a mild 70 amp draw IMO, mike EDIT, Did I say mild Amp draw , 70 amps isnt mild for a 14 gauge wire, but it is for a starter motor.
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Re: Grounding issue- Who would have thought it !!
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08/04/10 01:08 PM
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I worked for a Ford dealer in the 1980's as a trans tech and there were a BUNCH of Aerostars that would come in with GOVERNOR RINGS burnt into the case.. Ford figured out the reason that the electricity chose the LEAST PATH OF RESISTANCE and instead of going thru the wire/cables,, it went through the rear end and DRIVESHAFT and thus DESTROYED the trans because of the "current" going thru the trans to "complete the circuit".. If you ever take a test light and connect the clip to the B+ battery post and you touch a HOSE CLAMP for the radiator OR the thermostat neck,, you will notice that the test light LIGHTS UP !!!! Well,, the "BLACK CARBON" that makes the rubber radiator hose black,, actually has CARBON added to the rubber,,, and when you COMPRESS the carbon/rubber hose by tightening the hose clamp,,, the continuity is made through the "carbon" thus completing the circuit and lighting the test light.. SO,,, my point IS,,, there are NUMEROUS other ways ( hoses and motor mounts) ( not to mention throwing 100 +++ amps through your driveshaft and governor body/ trans rings) that electricity has a PATH to complete the circuit.. You'd be AMAZED !!!!!
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Re: Grounding issue- Who would have thought it !!
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08/04/10 07:55 PM
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I have ground wires running everywhere on my car. Never too safe. And not little ones.
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Re: Grounding issue- Who would have thought it !!
[Re: Adobedude]
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08/04/10 10:20 PM
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I have ground wires running everywhere on my car. Never too safe. And not little ones.
I had ground wires running everywhere...Now everything runs to a central ground block and that grounds directly to the battery.
Length of the ground wire needs to be included when you're figuring out what size ga wire/cable to run for power. Run the same size for the ground. And bigger is better if there's a doubt.
Actually I should clarify. I have ground wires going basically to the frame and then the battery (-) bolted to the frame in the rear.
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