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Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: MoparforLife] #757924
07/26/10 05:01 PM
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I had a 1980 ford F-350 with a 351 V8 on Propane since it was new.
I only changed the oil on that thing about ever 25K miles. We drove it to 380K miles and sold it. It's still in the neighborhood, I see it sometimes. I have had other vehicles on propane gas boy do they run clean.
The ford I talked about above made it to about 375K miles before it broke a valve spring. I took the valve cover off for the first time and stuck a chevy valve spring in there, it's still running today. The top of the head was spotless after 375k MILES WITH 25k OIL CHANGES ON lp GAS.

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: Challenger 1] #757925
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LOTS depends on how "sweet" the motor is ...and how much compression it has.

SWEET ? ... how sealed-up-tight it is. I must have a sweetie-pie 4 banger. The last oil I dumped was over 4k miles ...and it had barely changed color. That just-over 9k mile change ... it STILL looked good .. but it was nearing winter-time and I put in a load 5-30.

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: MoparforLife] #757926
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It is funny that people really think that just because they use synthetic oil that they can extend their oil change frequency. The oil whether Dino or synthetic collect the same contaminants and it the contaminants that do the damage not the oil wearing out.
The chrysler owners manual suggests the same oil change schedule either way.
Oh well to each their own. Like I said oil is cheap maintenance so I will continue with my frequent changes.




So you're saying that synthetics "break down" at the same interval that dino juice oils do?

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? #757927
07/26/10 07:11 PM
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I change mine every 3 months and it's usually pretty black looking by then. I rarely get on the freeway, and most of my trips are in the 30-40 minute range.

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It is funny that people really think that just because they use synthetic oil that they can extend their oil change frequency. The oil whether Dino or synthetic collect the same contaminants and it the contaminants that do the damage not the oil wearing out.
The chrysler owners manual suggests the same oil change schedule either way.
Oh well to each their own. Like I said oil is cheap maintenance so I will continue with my frequent changes.




So you're saying that synthetics "break down" at the same interval that dino juice oils do?


No what I am saying is that they collects the same dirt and crud as dino oil and will do the same damage in the same amount of time. Even Mopar recommends the same oil change intervals using it.
In the same breath I wouldn't use a sythetic but that is up to you.

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: MoparforLife] #757929
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When I bought my Buick GN new, I'd use Mobil 1 and a new filter every 2000 miles. I drove it really hard like it was meant to be driven and always try to let the turbo cool down, but still the 2000 mile change. The trans went out at 100,000 miles but never had any problem with the motor. Wish I still had it. Wish a total Mobil 1 and filter change was still $25. That seemed really high back then. HaHa.

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: IcorkSOAK] #757930
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Have dak w/4.7 and a 3.2 intrepid. Neither are users, have over 100k miles and get changed every 3 or 4 months or 3500 mi.

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: Baxter61] #757931
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My neon burns enough oil that it gets a fresh quart every 1500 or so so I dont feel the need to change the oil anymore; it changes itself.





good to know i am not the only one!

i have to add a quart or 2 a week to my chevy beater pick up.

it smokes like a fog machine at a kiss concert, but wont die.


1966 Dart GT ...down to only 1 mopar for the first time in 15 years!
Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: 340duster340] #757932
07/26/10 10:25 PM
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Ha,ha! smokes like a fog machine at a kiss concert! Too funny. I change oil every other month. 120 miles per day. '99 Dakota R/T.


Better get inside Ma. Looks like a storm's comin'.
Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: IcorkSOAK] #757933
07/27/10 06:09 AM
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WHAT determines WHEN you change it ? ... I do the eyeball, smell and feel-test more than actual mileage.




Go to this YouTube video and fast forward to 1min, 10sec. into the film - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB7PL5MHicU

Case in point, the color of motor oil doesn't determine it's useful life.

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It is funny that people really think that just because they use synthetic oil that they can extend their oil change frequency. The oil whether Dino or synthetic collect the same contaminants and it the contaminants that do the damage not the oil wearing out.




It's equally funny how people think oil filters are created equal just like motor oil. If you want to run an extended life synthetic motor oil, you probably should step up to an extended life oil filter.

Look, I've been driving the point here for a while. The key to determining oil change intervals is with Used Oil Analysis.

I've been doing Used Oil Analysis on my daily driver and can back up what I'm talking about with laboratory analysis.

For example, I went 10-months/7,500-miles on an extended life synthetic motor oil and appropriate oil filter. I then changed the oil and filter, caught a used oil sample and sent it off to an ISO accredited lab for analysis. I even went one step further and paid extra for an ISO particle count to see the larger contaminate particles suspended in the oil. The report I got back stated that the oil was still suitable for use and to re-test after another 3,500-miles or 65-hours. Too bad the oil was already dumped and at the recyclers at that point; money down the drain.

So you have people changing their oil based on color, feel, smell, opinion, but not on the reality of modern oils, filters, and mechanics.



Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: CompSyn] #757934
07/27/10 06:20 AM
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I used to send my oil out to be tested about 20 years ago, it always came back usable. I really didn't learn much other than the oil was still good and I was wasting money on oil testing. I guess that's why I run the miles that I do on motor oil.

I own a oil company, you would think I'd be preaching 3000 mile oil changes. lol

BTW as soon as I dump new oil in a diesel crankcase and start the motor, it turns black. You can't tell anything by looking at it.IMO

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: Challenger 1] #757935
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Every 9 months on all three. Less than 7,000 miles a year COMBINED. Amsoil/Napa Gold.
09 Challenger 0-20
06 Daytona 5-20 (MDS)
69 Coronet R/T 10-40

Ride the Train to work and save the weekends for tire smoke.

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: IcorkSOAK] #757936
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I go different periods of time and mileage depending on the vehicle and how it is driven. I run Mobil one in my 350 Tuned Port engine in my daily driver El Camino. It sees 60 miles a day, mostly highway, and is still pretty clean when I change it between 7500 and 10,000 miles, and does not use any oil. The original 305 went 280,000 miles without the benefit of synthetic oil for the first 180,000 miles ! When I pulled it apart, it was clean with no visible wear.
My Barracuda with 360 six pack , Mobil One oil, gets alot more contamination in the oil, and gets changed every year. It sees little mileage usually , but sees too many warm ups.


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Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: Challenger 1] #757937
07/27/10 04:43 PM
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I used to send my oil out to be tested about 20 years ago, it always came back usable. I really didn't learn much other than the oil was still good and I was wasting money on oil testing. I guess that's why I run the miles that I do on motor oil.




Used Oil Analysis was worth it for me. What I learned from it was that my oil was averaging 2-to-3% fuel dilution which prompted me to get caught up on some maintenance items.

I had my fuel injectors professionally flow tested and cleaned and I replaced my PCV valve.

Although I haven't retested my oil since those changes, my car idles better and has improved low end torque. And since excessive fuel in the oil degrades it more rapidly, I'm hoping for an even better Used Oil Analysis report next run.

Now had I continued the rut I was in by changing my oil every 3-months regardless of mileage, I probably wouldn't have been so proactive about targeting the aforementioned maintenance items the oil analysis promoted me to do.

Also, the money I saved by changing my oil less paid for the Used Oil Analysis.

Back to the issue of fuel dilution. It's a known fact that PAO synthetics take a beating to fuel dilution better than conventional oils.

For example:


Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: CompSyn] #757938
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Every 3000 km for my everyday driver...

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: RobR] #757939
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Oil change every 3,500 miles on our 3 daily drivers. On the boat, motorcycle, and Mopar when it changes color on the stick and I can't see through the oil anymore- Regardless of whether that's 500 miles, a thousand, 6 months or 2 years..

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: Dartthunder340] #757940
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Ha,ha! smokes like a fog machine at a kiss concert! Too funny. I change oil every other month. 120 miles per day. '99 Dakota R/T.




Wow!, I thought I was the only one with a crazy commute, I drive 115 miles a day, and I use:10w30
Mobil 1 synthetic, every 10,000 miles (all freeway miles) 65+M.P.H. all the way, '97 Ford Crown Victoria (cop car) 4.6 V8,25 M.P.G.,
the last Crown Vic. I had went 420,000 miles and still ran great,the tranny was toast though!

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: IcorkSOAK] #757941
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change mine every 4 months (Dec/April/Aug). the every 5K is a good idea too (easy way to remember), but i like to change mine a little more frequently. just use wallymart's supertech oil & filters & have never had a problem. someone told me it was just rebranded penzoil, but i'm not sure if that's true.

on a sidenote, no one i know changes their own oil anymore. they've all farmed it out to the quickie lube spots.

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: Pauls69] #757942
07/27/10 05:28 PM
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Well ....knock me over with a feather .... ole C S is here !!!

Come on now ...the eye-ball "test" can sure give you the quick basics

Re: Changing oil on your daily-driver ... ?? [Re: Pauls69] #757943
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Every 10,000. I have 1 Dodge truck with over 200,000, 1 Dodge van pushing 200,000 and an 03 Dodge truck with 130,000, never an issue.

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