Indy S/R valve springs? max lift?
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Hey Guys; I'm thinking about going to 1.6 ratio rockers, but I'm not sure if I have acceptable springs. I believe they are comp 928s, they came on my Indy S/Rs back in 1999 or so. they seem to work well with my Ultradyne nf64 mech. flat tappet 271@50 .620 lift cam. The lift will be .662 @ 1.6 ratio. I know the indy brochure said .700 lift springs, but Ive seen some info on the 928 that said .650 max lift (maybe at a different inst.height?) Any help is apreciated, also would that require different length pushrods? or do you just have to put it together and see? Thanks all
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Re: Indy S/R valve springs? max lift?
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I have run the 928 Comps with lifts about like yours in the .660 range but take away some of the pushrod deflection and lash you will be ok. The 930 Comps would be the next choice, and will tolerate lifts approaching .700
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Re: Indy S/R valve springs? max lift?
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I bought my SR's in 2002 and ran a 263/271 .597/.620 lift ultradyne and last year before I went roller I put 1.6 rockers on with no problems and 7200 shifts. Sometimes as high as 7600 oops! Dam I miss that ultradyne cam it sure sounded mean!! LOL!!! think when I bought mine they said good to .650 lift was real close to coil bind
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Re: Indy S/R valve springs? max lift?
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Yeah I think I'll take the heads to Syracuse (2 hrs south) and have the springs, and seats checked just to be safe. they'll be off the motor anyway. So heres the next ? are the 928s the optimum spring for that cam 1.5 or 1.6? This would be the perfect time to change them. Thanks guys
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Re: Indy S/R valve springs? max lift?
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thanks for the reply, But I'm not sure what you mean by "But take away some of the deflection and lash and you will be ok." I lash at .007 to .009 cold as per Crane for alumin. heads.
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I will try to elaborate some. The cam card gives a Gross Valve lift. These numbers given are specs given for a certain cams installation.. Things like Intake center line does effect lift. Rocker arms ratios also effect lift. You are correct by figuring in the extra growth for aluminum heads. .006 is a good number. So what ever the hot lash setting is you would normally adjust the rockers that number minus the .006 for a cold setting. You will verify this during initial start to see what it actual lash is, or has grown then adjust as needed.
So if the cam calls for .022 hot, you will still subtract this from the lift on the cam card. Also it is very doubtful that that everything is exact with rocker ratios too. This is why I like to throw a dial indicator on a valve retainer and check net lift. This is easily done with standard cam degreeing kits, and really lets ou now what you have. Now during a running engine these numbers will be different also. You would be surprised the amount of push rod flex and loss of lift that occurs in a engine. I think it was DTHEMI that experimented with push rod size and found a considerable amount of power with the only change of push rods. Lots of guys run the .080 thick push rods, which make up most of what you get from Indy, and standard push rods. Push rods are over looked a bunch in a engine. I mean you see guys with Jesel Rocker Arms, and crappy pushrods. My Last Wedge with Jesel Rockers had .130 wall Manton pushrods. They were just a fraction more money that the Indy Cut to fit kit, and offered a huge advantage in strength. The Hemi I just finished has the longest pushrods I have ever used in a engine at well over 11 inches. The longer they are the stronger they need to be. I would say a .080 thick wall push rod would be plenty for a small block. They were $200 shipped from Manton, and heck those Indy push rods are $190 last time I checked.
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the engine only has twelve runs on it. its been in storage since then. being turned over every couple months.
It is worth checking each spring. They may still be fine, or they may not. It is good to turn the motor to a different position every month. When a valve spring is kept near max lift for a long time, it can loose pressure. Even sitting one time for 3 months can kill some springs, depending on application.
And those Ultradyne NF cams can be hard to control, but they can make good power. Pressure isn't everything (spring harmonics), but I would like to see at least 130 seat and 370 open.
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thanks for the info guys. Now I'm definately going to put my dial indicator on the valves and see what I got for deflection, then have the pressures checked, and go from there with mods. I have the specs for the 928s. Its fun getting back to racing with good help. I built that engine in 1999, then got married, divorced,lost a house,built the car, 4 jobs, school, a girl friend and three kids,raced twice, now I can finaly upgrade and dial in the race car I built in that 10 years. Thanks Jay
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