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WIW - 64 Hemi factory "headers" #746778
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Came across a set of very good condition 64 Plymouth Hemi "headers" Cast iron flanges with cut-outs and cross-over tube (crossover missing - cut and welded shut). Even have a part number cast into them.

I have no idea what they are worth. I know they are rare, and these are VERY solid. Got them in a trade and am just curious how I should price them (to sell, not to set on them forever trying to hit the lotto)

Saw a set at Carlisle over the weekend but didn't realize what they were so I never checked their condition or price.











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They are VERY rare and VERY valuable. I know someone who is selling a setup like yours-but it's in better shape.

I'll hazard a guess and say they are worth between 4-5 thousand. I could be off here as these are items you obviously don't see very often- so it's hard to come up with a comparison. And if you own a legit A990 car you NEED them.

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are you 100% positive they are real factory pieces from 1964 I am not going to argue with you or bash anything but just to let you know back in the 1980's they reproduced the smaller 1964 pipes with the crossover which is for a hard top they either used real 1964 flanges or had access to the mold to make the flanges also the pipes are smaller diameter then the 1965 Race Hemi ones. the factory didn't wield the pipes to the cast flanges and their is at least 3 other things I see that I question give me some time I will dig up pictures on a cd here showing some real factory pipes that are not wielded at the flange any issues. just so you know I own a real 1965 A-990 Plymouth and have been into 1964-1965 Hemi cars for a long time.

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are you 100% positive they are real factory pieces from 1964 I am not going to argue with you or bash anything but just to let you know back in the 1980's they reproduced the smaller 1964 pipes with the crossover which is for a hard top they either used real 1964 flanges or had access to the mold to make the flanges also the pipes are smaller diameter then the 1965 Race Hemi ones. the factory didn't wield the pipes to the cast flanges and their is at least 3 other things I see that I question give me some time I will dig up pictures on a cd here showing some real factory pipes that are not wielded at the flange any issues. just so you know I own a real 1965 A-990 Plymouth and have been into 1964-1965 Hemi cars for a long time.





..What yr in the 80's do you think they repo'd.
I know of a used set purchased in 84 that are welded, but i think they are the bigger 2" diameter 65's. Also they don't have the crossover. The guy these came from, had them on his street car in the mid 70's. ...Are you saying if they're welded it was done after they left the factory. Not arguing just checking.
...FWIW, back in ~92-93, Englheart had a set for I think 2800, don't know if they sold for that.

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Re: WIW - 64 Hemi factoy "headers" [Re: Slap Shot] #746782
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are you 100% positive they are real factory pieces from 1964 I am not going to argue with you or bash anything but just to let you know back in the 1980's they reproduced the smaller 1964 pipes with the crossover which is for a hard top they either used real 1964 flanges or had access to the mold to make the flanges also the pipes are smaller diameter then the 1965 Race Hemi ones. the factory didn't weld the pipes to the cast flanges and their is at least 3 other things I see that I question give me some time I will dig up pictures on a cd here showing some real factory pipes that are not wielded at the flange any issues. just so you know I own a real 1965 A-990 Plymouth and have been into 1964-1965 Hemi cars for a long time.




I am not positive on ANYTHING about these headers. I got them in a trade. I GREATLY appreciate any info on what I have which is why I posted in this section.

I do know that these were reported to have come off of a 64 back in 64 and have been hanging in a barn since. I was quite impressed with how solid the pipes were and with the factory part number on the cast section of the headers.
I do have a friend with a 65 lightweight Dodge and another buddy to parts for a lightweight Dodge, but I rely strictly on hearsay as to what is correct for these cars.

I will be quite honest, I am not looking for the next holy grail. Only trying to find out what I have and what is a fair market value. I have little interest in cars or parts of this age. ( they are too slow for my taste - 170mph and pull the parachute or stay home in my book! LOL) I do have a lot of knowledge on the 69-72 cars, but anything before 66 is WAAYY over my head. I don't want to price them where someone will buy them just to flip for personal gain.

I have had a lot of rare parts and cars in my 50 years, and would never knowingly sell something incorrect OR to intentionally sell to someone that does not appear to be interested in actually using the parts. I would rather sell these parts to someone that needs them, than to someone that thinks is a "deal" and can flip them.

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are you 100% positive they are real factory pieces from 1964 I am not going to argue with you or bash anything but just to let you know back in the 1980's they reproduced the smaller 1964 pipes with the crossover which is for a hard top they either used real 1964 flanges or had access to the mold to make the flanges also the pipes are smaller diameter then the 1965 Race Hemi ones. the factory didn't wield the pipes to the cast flanges and their is at least 3 other things I see that I question give me some time I will dig up pictures on a cd here showing some real factory pipes that are not wielded at the flange any issues. just so you know I own a real 1965 A-990 Plymouth and have been into 1964-1965 Hemi cars for a long time.




So if the factory didn't weld the pipes to the flanges then how did they keep them attached ?

All the pictures I have ever seen of those manifolds look like what he has posted.

Pro , contact member rustbucket , his name is Pete , he was building a 64 car for FAST racing and he should be able to tell you what those are .

Re: WIW - 64 Hemi factoy "headers" [Re: JohnRR] #746784
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I have seen an original set and those look pretty much dead on to me... but I am not 100% sure on what the differences could be about the reproduced ones, haven't heard of that until now.

Really neat to see these, they are so rare you just don't see them.

If they are worth around $5k it could be a good idea to get them authenticated by a guy like Jim Schild.

Please update us as to what happens, this is very interesting.


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Those are the real deal I worked on a factory A990 car and after seeing and installing a set of those you will never forget the look of them. Nice trade can the guy tell you where he got them.


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easy 5k maybe more to the right owner... too cool dan

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Those are the real deal I worked on a factory A990 car and after seeing and installing a set of those you will never forget the look of them. Nice trade can the guy tell you where he got them.




The guy was into Chevys, but his dad apparently had a 64 Hemi car back in the day. His father passed away some time ago, and these were left hanging in the barn. Sorry, already checked, no other parts were there.

I picked them up because I have a friend building a car that was wanting the headers, so I was really just trying to get an idea what would be a fair price for them. His build is 64 Petty NASCAR replica with an original Petty Hemi motor. It is currently being assembled by Petty Garage Inc., with Richard himself watching over the build.

I did not get these "free" by any means, as I knew they have some value.

Just curious if these are truly 3 thousand dollar headers. After all, I have a car that needs completion as well and could use the money.

The pictures do not due justice to the condition of the headers. There is surface rust and it is obvious they are "used". But there are no dents or dings I have come to expect from a set of used headers. I have not sonic checked them to see how thin they are, but from the weight, I would say they still have many years of use left. I was thinking of having them send in for ceramic coating inside and out to help preserve them.

I have had some PM's about purchasing them, but of course everyone wants a deal so no confirmed prices have been offered.

Thanks,

Scott

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Can i add my to this posting about these superstock headers?
The ones that are in the pictures are the real deal. They are factory pieces, true and true.
I never heard of "reproduction" headers for those cars that might have been made back in the 1980's, but i don't know everything, and will admit to that.
Having said that, let me show you a picture of the system that i own.
I have had these parts in my collection for probably 30 years.
They have become my "coat rack" in the apartment during the winter months, so they are serving a purpose now anyway for me.
I also have the factory headers for this system but they are too far buried in the parts to easily get out to take pictures.
The pipes are welded into the flange, so i have no idea what the other poster is flapping his gums about.
Since these thing are so rare, i place a value on them on the higher side of $5,000.00 easily.


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those should NOT be sold to your friend! they DESERVE to be on a REAL hemi S/S car and if you need $$ for a resto doesnt 5k sound better than 800.00 ??? dan

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Can i add my to this posting about these superstock headers?
The ones that are in the pictures are the real deal. They are factory pieces, true and true.
I never heard of "reproduction" headers for those cars that might have been made back in the 1980's, but i don't know everything, and will admit to that.
Having said that, let me show you a picture of the system that i own.
I have had these parts in my collection for probably 30 years.
They have become my "coat rack" in the apartment during the winter months, so they are serving a purpose now anyway for me.
I also have the factory headers for this system but they are too far buried in the parts to easily get out to take pictures.
The pipes are welded into the flange, so i have no idea what the other poster is flapping his gums about.
Since these thing are so rare, i place a value on them on the higher side of $5,000.00 easily.




yes they did repo the 64 hardtop headers in the 1980s and i stand by my remarks if you contact hemieddy in Michigan he would also tell you about the repo headers.

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So if the factory didn't weld the pipes to the flanges then how did they keep them attached ?






Alright, i went into the back of the pile of parts and brought out the factory superstock headers.
If the factory didn't weld the tubes into the flange, then explain to me and JohnRR how the heck the tubes stayed in the flange?


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Casting # on flange.


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Side by side photo.


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look I said I didn't want to bash any one just questioned are you sure they are real like I said contact hemieddy in Michigan when I was looking for a 1965 race hemi headers he told me the best way to spot the more ready available 1980's repos are wielded cast flanges to steel pipes and the pipes were mandrel bent the factory ones are not in fact Eddie has real ones and a repo one. Eddie told me next to each other the repos are night and day different to the real ones. also I have a picture some where showing the factory ones compared to the repos and the tubes were routed different on the drivers side maybe for better starter clearance. why they chose to repo the smaller 64 headers with crossover I have no clue.

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look I said I didn't want to bash any one just questioned are you sure they are real like I said contact hemieddy in Michigan when I was looking for a 1965 race hemi headers he told me the best way to spot the more ready available 1980's repos are wielded cast flanges to steel pipes and the pipes were mandrel bent the factory ones are not in fact Eddie has real ones and a repo one. Eddie told me next to each other the repos are night and day different to the real ones. also I have a picture some where showing the factory ones compared to the repos and the tubes were routed different on the drivers side maybe for better starter clearance. why they chose to repo the smaller 64 headers with crossover I have no clue.




Explain to me the three things that you said you detect with the system that the original poster pictured that you don't agree with.
And you still are evading the question why you think the factory pipes aren't welded to the flanges.
If anyone reproduced something back in the 80's it must have been a one of construction for their own needs and nothing else.
Nothing is going to come close in a reproduction as to what the factory mad scientists created in the fabrication of those tubes and pipes.


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For what its worth, Jim Schild's book has a shot of an original set and it looks welded
I cant upload the pic from my phone unfortunately but I will when I'm back at my computer. Or email me and I'll send it to you.


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The 64 hardtop cars used the rear sections that have the crossover, like several pictured in this thread and then duals out the back. They are 1 7/8" tube. The lighweight cars and all 65 A990 got 2" tube and single exhaust out the back.

The ones pictured are rare, but since not many hardtop SS Hemi cars exist, the correct usage of them is limited and therfore so is the value. Rare does not always equal valuable. Cool Yes.

There are reproductions currenty out there and they can be spotted because they are not Madrel bent - like the set RO51 had for sale awhile back.(advertised as originals)

HemiEddie and Greg Lane are the two more knowledable sources on this stuff. Eddie helped me round up the 4 sections for my Hardtop Hemi SS. Although, 1 section he sold me was misrepresented and he wouldn't back it up.

I have some installed pics I can post later if any one wants to see, also a set of NOS ones.



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