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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: Dodge Don]
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06/24/10 01:52 PM
06/24/10 01:52 PM
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meepmeep70
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when i did my runner,all new everything,i put small clear hoses on all bleeders(bleeders open)master caps off hoses into small jars and let gravity work all bleeders at the same time,keep an eye on the master so i doesn't run dry,may take a few hours,have a couple beers while waiting,it will work.after i had all clear fluid no bubbles out of all lines i closed them,i finished by very very slowly pushing pedal down over and over with master caps off,no bubbles cap master pedal should be good 
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: Dodge Don]
#732790
06/24/10 02:51 PM
06/24/10 02:51 PM
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Aero426
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Was thinking I could try the two person method this weekend with my son pushing the pedal down with MC cap on and then open a bleeder...then close bleeder and tell him to let the pedal up and do again...periodically refilling MC.
After bench bleeding the master cylinder, the above procedure is the way to go.
Also, there is a nice product called a Speed Bleeder which allows one person bleeding. It is a bleeder screw with an internal check ball that you open 1/4 to 1/2 turn. It eliminates the need to close the bleeder screw when the pedal is released. You then pump fluid through by the brake pedal through the hose into your waste jar. They are about $8 each.
www.speedbleeder.com
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: Aero426]
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06/24/10 03:28 PM
06/24/10 03:28 PM
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Bleeder should be at the top of w/cyl or cal above line and below the m/c. If you are by yourself, gravity is the way to bleed an empty system. If I have someone with me I will literally remove the RR bleeder and use my finger over the hole. Have them slowly push it down and then close the hole with your finger and have them let it up, repeat until I get good fluid, go LR repeat, RF repeat, and LF repeat. If I am not happy with the pedal at that point, I have them pump it up and crack the bleeder until I get all the air out.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: Dodge Don]
#732792
06/24/10 04:31 PM
06/24/10 04:31 PM
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ok guys, here's what i did with the restoration on my Challenger.
after i attached all the brake lines in my challenger. i filled the MC with brake fluid, yes, i didn't bench bleed it. slowly pumped the pedal about 3 or 4 times, refilled the MC and let it set for 3 days. went back, made sure the level was correct in the MC, then connected one of those hand vacuum pumps to the wheel cylinders starting at the RR, LR, RF, LF, just slowly pulling brake fluid into the reservoir. each time making sure the level was correct in the MC. then i left it for 3 more days. when i went back, the brakes were perfect. i have drums all the way around and it didn't even pull a little bit.
if you can, let it sit. the air bubbles will work themselves out.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: joelson6]
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06/24/10 04:39 PM
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ok guys, here's what i did with the restoration on my Challenger.
after i attached all the brake lines in my challenger. i filled the MC with brake fluid, yes, i didn't bench bleed it. slowly pumped the pedal about 3 or 4 times, refilled the MC and let it set for 3 days. went back, made sure the level was correct in the MC, then connected one of those hand vacuum pumps to the wheel cylinders starting at the RR, LR, RF, LF, just slowly pulling brake fluid into the reservoir. each time making sure the level was correct in the MC. then i left it for 3 more days. when i went back, the brakes were perfect. i have drums all the way around and it didn't even pull a little bit.
if you can, let it sit. the air bubbles will work themselves out.
On the hand held vacuum pump method (the one you squeeze to create vacuum and draw fluid). I'm assuming you used the jar. I have one but the directions suck.
I put one hose from hand pump to jar lid...one small hose from lid into jar...and one hose from other end of jar cap to bleeder valve. Now what?
Do I add fluid in the jar? Do I leave the bleeder open while I pump...or create vacuum then open bleeder then close and on and on? Is the MC lid on or off when vacuum bleeding?
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: Dodge Don]
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06/24/10 05:33 PM
06/24/10 05:33 PM
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feets
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Leave the MC open, put the vacuum line on the loosened bleeder, and pump to your hearts content.
You do not need fluid in the bottle for it to work.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: feets]
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06/24/10 05:58 PM
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oh,maybe its fluid in the jar with hose as a one man bleeder pump bubbles in the fluid and keeps air from going back in the bleeder valve maybe jar on ground with fluid 1/2 full,hose from bleeder to jar and then pump till no more air bubbles 
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: stumpy]
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06/24/10 06:26 PM
06/24/10 06:26 PM
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 With Stumpy. I use a jar partially filled so the hose is in the fluid, I will also put a dab of silicone on the bleeder threads as they will suck air when loosened. I start at the right rear, couple of pumps, close the bleeder, then move to the LR, then RF, LF, Repeat. Top off the master after each wheel. Takes about three trips around the car to get a solid pedal. Been doing it this way for years by myself and works great.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Fruistration...any advice?
[Re: stumpy]
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06/24/10 07:08 PM
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The vacuum method is just hooking a hand vacuum pump(mighty vac) to the open bleeder and start pumping until no more air comes out with the fluid. Just be sure to keep the master filled. When you stop pumping to refill the master close the bleeder.
Are you saying just connect the hand vacuum pump directly up to the bleeder without a jar in the middle? Wouldn't that ruin the pump when the fluid comes out?
How about this..would this be right...
- Fill MC and leave cap off
- Hook up vacuum pump hose to jar cap
- Hook up short hose bottom of jar cap into a couple of inches of fluid
- Hook up other hose from jar cap to bleeder
- open bleeder and start pumping until no more bubbles in fluid in jar and hose to bleeder is full of fluid
- close bleeder and move on to next wheel
Is that right?
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