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Not good PR Hughes, since I'm sure "amateurs" make up the majoriry of your customers.

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...you made the decision to buy from them, so you must live with the problems.

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This is the only information I would ever need to know in making a decision on using Hughes cams.....thanks for helping me making an easy decision on not buying any products due to your honest and open public speaking.

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Wonder why he feels the need to use the term "students" so many times? Sounds to me like he has an ego problem.

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I guess he thinks he's the Master, and we will only be forever learning
I'd rather buy a camshaft made out of wax than one of his!

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The guys worked very hard on this motor, he fails to mention that there are some very knowlagable people on this board, DRAM, Hakim, and yea some hobbyists,

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No offense but what has Hakim ever shown that he knows? there is a huge list of people who do know a lot and he might be on that list but it would be down a ways,anyway,I didn't post to blast Hakim,really at first I thought his name was listed as part of the EM and I was already seeing red

Anyone that has been here a while should know how I feel about Dave,I called and talked to his boy Chris,had a list of parts I already said I would buy and then I spoke with Dave,he was a huge ass,so much so that I ended up calling Eric at Muscle Motors and ordered my parts.

I will say this,I really enjoyed this thread,I have been blasted many times over the years for blasting Dave,now it seems as if MANY of you have had a chance to see the REAL Dave Hughes and I LOVE it.

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you know what, i think i just figured it out. the reason he's so upset is because he missed the glory. we had a legitimate shot at going to the finals. it didn't work out that way, but very well might have. he missed the glory of seeing his name in print under "camshaft" in the buildup article. what a shame. so now it's easier to attack us to make himself look "better"? well, with almost 700 members reading this so far, in only a couple of hours he's lost a awful lot of business.

now, i wonder where jesse lackman is???

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Some of the unwarranted fallout from this deal is that cams that we have been successfully used by our customers for 10 over years got a bad rap thru no fault of their own.

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from what i understand, the cams we used had the "new", "better" profiles than what he has been selling for the past 10 years. so either there isnt a 10 year history of success with these "new" cams, or they are in fact 10 year old designs.
they cant be both new and better, and 10 years old.

as far as being amatures....well....i can only speak for myself, but ive been making my living in this business since 1989, and i would be willing to bet the shop i work out of is equipped at least as well as his shop is.

and how many amatures can rough in their head porting on a CNC machine, and have the heads tested on no less than 4 different flow benches?
the pictures i saw from when Dan was working on the motor in his shop showed the equipment to be the same stuff you'd see in any quality engine shop. not too many amatures have a CK-10 and a line hone in their garage, or a crank grinder, crank balancer, resurfacing machine, etc.
or bother to rent shop space to house all that equipment to support their "hobby".

its unfortunate that the lifter bore problem was undetected until the motor had already eaten a cam, but even the best race engine shops in the world run into a time crunch at one point or another, and when that happens, sometimes the best decisions arent always made.

sh!t happens in the racing engine industry......thats just part of the business.
when you watch a Winston Cup race on TV, and a big name team loses an engine...its not because they werent "professionals", or that they dont know what they're doing, or that they didnt do everything they could to ensure those things dont happen.
nonetheless.....sometimes parts fail, sometimes potential problems slip through the cracks.

i dont know how much of an impact his commentary will have on his business in the long term. many people who werent directly involved wont be personally offended at what he's said, and people in general can sometimes have a pretty short memory.
however im sure there will be some lost revenue in the short term from what he's said...and plenty of ill will towards him on the part of the people who were involved with the EM project.
from where i sit, that just doesnt seem like a smart business move....unless perhaps you have more work than you can handle and are trying to alienate a few new potential customers.

for myself....ive never bought anything from Hughes Engines...so what he says really has no impact on me.
ive had the general feeling he was a jackass based on comments ive heard from many board members here....and this little editorial from him just confirms that in my mind.
ive never bought from he before...and certainly wont ever in the future.

one last thing i want to point out to everyone here.... those soon to be released Bulldog heads are also available from Scott Brown

so.....if that last comment causes Mr.Hughes to lose a couple of sales of those new heads....i'll feel this post was well worth the effort

BTW....i wonder how many more Hughes cams Jesse will be buying in the future?

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The guys worked very hard on this motor, he fails to mention that there are some very knowlagable people on this board, DRAM, Hakim, and yea some hobbyists,

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Brian, hold up here, I know you were a big part of this, I just threw out some names off the top of my head real quick, I dont care if you drove the motor to the airport, or donated heads, or sent 5 bucks for paypal acct, my point is as a single unit we are not just a chat room, Im a NFL Patriots fan, and the kicker won the superbowl. My point is this was a combined effort of many minds, and backgrounds, not just a chat group, I did not intend to offend anyone. There is a HUGE list of help on this project, and I respect you all!!

there is a huge list of people who do know a lot and he might be on that list but it would be down a ways,anyway,I didn't post to blast Hakim,really at first I thought his name was listed as part of the EM and I was already seeing red

Anyone that has been here a while should know how I feel about Dave,I called and talked to his boy Chris,had a list of parts I already said I would buy and then I spoke with Dave,he was a huge ass,so much so that I ended up calling Eric at Muscle Motors and ordered my parts.

I will say this,I really enjoyed this thread,I have been blasted many times over the years for blasting Dave,now it seems as if MANY of you have had a chance to see the REAL Dave Hughes and I LOVE it.

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For everyone that wants to know, each cam (3) were PURCHASED for $91 each..

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