Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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several different solvents can be mixed with gasoline. it's not done too much up here because the solvents are so expensive. a friend of mine has experimented with toluene, xylene, acetone, methyl-ethyl-ketone, etc. do some research online- i'm sure you'll find plenty of info. be very careful handling these solvents, especially xylene.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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Toluene and Xylene are 114 and 117 octane each. About $15 a gallon here, which is more expensive than race gas. It can be mixed with gas to raise the octane, but I don't know what ratio is safe. 3 gallons of 92 plus 1 gallon of toluene will give you a 97.5 octane, but as I said, I don't know if it's safe in that amount. It is one of the major ingredients in gasoline though. Do a web search for toluene octane. Here's one. http://www.elektro.com/audi/toluene/tol2.html
Chris from New Jersey
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Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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I got chemical penumonia(sp?) from tolulene and methyl ethyl ketone in '83. I nearly died. The doctors gave me HUGE quanities of cortizone(steroids) to fight the inflamation in my lungs. In '94, I had to have a hip replacement due to avascular necrosis....caused by too much steroids. Dr at Ohio State University did my surgery and said " they probably saved your life with the steroids, but they cooked your joints". I worked with tolulene and MEK for about 19 years. I left that place in '87 but the effects still haunt me. I would be very careful around that stuff!!
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Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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I will take precaution using this product,as I do using fuels and thinners. As on the vintage triumph register they suggest the following mixtures: Tolueno mixed with 92 octane premium at 30% equals 98.6 octane,they also explain that common ingredient in octane boosters is tolueno.A can of octane booster often cost 5'7 $ for 12'16 ounces, when tolueno can be purchased for less than 5 $ a gallon, which is the cost over hear.Tolueno was used extensively in the turbo era by the formula one teams.The power output exceeded 1,500 hp which translates into 1000 hp per liter an astranomical figure.
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Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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Toulol and toulene are known cancer causing chemicl agents that I forgot to mention on my first post 
wow that makes me feel better. here's our govt trying to clean up the atmosphere by getting rid of leaded fuels altogether & putting cancer causing products in there instead. i can sleep well tonite, thanx Cab. 
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Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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I am very far away from you guys and we don't have atomic plants so a litle bit of tolueno in my race car will be ok thanks
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Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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One gal. of acetone or tolulene in the tank once a year to help with deposits never hurt anyone...
Well in that case, we should band cellphones, microwaves, diesel fuel, genetically modified food, alcohol, tabaco, coffee, deodorants, meat,etc etc etc...AND THE WORST avoid racing because the fumes  are highly cancerous. "No one dies on their eve" 
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Re: Toluene mixed with 92 octane
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toluene is NOT a listed carcinogen. it is a aromatic hydrocarbon that distills between benzene and xylene. btx (benzene, toluene, xylene) are the three most common aromatic hydrocarbon solvents and occur in crude oil naturally. they can be produced by catalytic reforming of naphtha as well. i'm not saying to drink the stuff but unless you're exposed to ridiculous amounts of it on a regular basis it's not as toxic as some are portraying here. it's not like if you spill some on your hand you're going to fall over. benzene IS the one you don't want to mess with as far as being a carcinogen (leukemia). i'm not saying any of these solvents are something to not be careful with just that most of the health problems that have been associated with them usually come from chronic long term exposure such as working with them every day without proper PPE (personal protective equipment) and ventilation. the toluene OSHA PEL (permissible exposure limit) is 200 PPM for a eight hour shift, STEL (short-term exposure limit) is 500 PPM for ten minutes. i've worked in refineries making BTX for 15 years. if you're going to use toluene to raise the octane be careful and do a little research as there's a certain percentage that works best. just dumping more toluene in the gas beyond that percentage can have a negative impact. afaik you don't want to exceed 30% toluene as it burns on the slow side.
Thanks. I will feel better when I mix my 30 percent of toluene with 98 pump gas. This year my compression is up to 13 to 1, new cam, fresh motor and fresh 727 and we're going to inaugurate our new track, the first real track in Peru special for drag. before we used small plane airports.
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Be very careful when using it or anything that has it in it, if you want to live a long and normal life. I use to use it and acetone to mix race gas with 23% methanol alcohol to make the car go faster, long story short I don't do that anymore. I'm praying my liver stays good 
