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Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: cornet684me] #652873
03/27/10 09:27 PM
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If your mind is set on a manual box, then do it. It will knock a easy 50lb's off the nose of your car, and make changing plugs a ton easier. Yes, it will be harder to steer, but your probably not planning on using the car for daily commuter transportation.

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: RC91] #652874
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I dunno what would possess you to run 100mph on a car without the basics...like steering. I also dunno where you got so many power steering units that never worked. I have a OLD firm feel in my 69 and it worked out of the box. I also had a rebuilt AutoZone special in my 70 Charger and all you do is crack the 2 bolts loose and tap it little by little....and I am talking 1/32 of an inch each time until that steering wheel quits whipping around......Are you sure your bolts were tightened REAL tight when you went on that drive?

Glad no one was hurt but just imagine if kids were playing in that yard...


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Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: Pyper70] #652875
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He didnt say he was driving a 100 mph. He said the steering wheel started spinning a 100 mph. When that "assist" hits it takes it to 'lock' right now! Been there had it happen, what a surprise!
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I dunno what would possess you to run 100mph on a car without the basics...like steering. I also dunno where you got so many power steering units that never worked. I have a OLD firm feel in my 69 and it worked out of the box. I also had a rebuilt AutoZone special in my 70 Charger and all you do is crack the 2 bolts loose and tap it little by little....and I am talking 1/32 of an inch each time until that steering wheel quits whipping around......Are you sure your bolts were tightened REAL tight when you went on that drive?

Glad no one was hurt but just imagine if kids were playing in that yard...



Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: Jwilli500] #652876
03/28/10 10:30 PM
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When I first came onto this board I used to caution about this when people asked about power steering problems and not getting enough assist going in one direction. Boy did I get a ear full. I don't get into those threads much anymore.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: Pyper70] #652877
03/28/10 10:44 PM
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was not going 100miles hour, i was only going about 30miles hour, i sd the steering wheel went to the left , figure of speech 100miles hour, the gear box shifted the steering wheel out of my hand and straight for the left at 100miles a hour.

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: yella71] #652878
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update, the guy that owns the house where my car decided to go into his ditch cld today, he was very cool, he sd he was calling to assure me everything was okay, he sd no problem with the ditch, he sd the ditch needed to be a little deeper anyway, i guess i got really lucky, no emgerency room visit, no cops, no body damage, and a cool neighbor who did sue me for damages to his ditch.

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: cornet684me] #652879
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been there done that, it was a 69 coronet. box problems too, only difference was i was on it hard when it happened. the big ford boat and the toyota i hit didnt like it very much either. hurt mine totalled the toyota and bent the exhaust on the ford.

not a fan of power steering in muscle cars

glad your ok. no matter how the box looks i allways replace them now

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: cornet684me] #652880
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no tickets, i live in neighborhood out of the city in the county, i was just going around the block in the neighborhood just like someone riding a 4wheeler or a go kart in street.





Nope, not at all like someone riding an ATV or gocart!

You had 3 PS pumps installed, you knew the steering and PS assist still wasn't right, you got up to 30mph, you have a car not legal to drive on public streets (did you have insurance on it at least???).

Trail by fire, friend - you are now one step closer to being older and wiser.


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Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: chrisf] #652881
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Well I was about to rebuild my PS box myself but after seeing this, I'm now having second thoughts Is the adjustment THAT finicky where it may 'seem' like it's adjusted ok but getting out on the road it can suddenly go nuts on you?


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Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: David_Trimble] #652882
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Well I was about to rebuild my PS box myself but after seeing this, I'm now having second thoughts Is the adjustment THAT finicky where it may 'seem' like it's adjusted ok but getting out on the road it can suddenly go nuts on you?




myself i wouldn't attempt a full rebuild, but i have adjusted them myself after i "restored" my power gearbox without knowing the consequences with the front wheels OFF the ground, you just have to crack those 2 bolts loose with the car RUNNING and lightly tap the valvebody up or down until the steering is neutral. rev the motor to make sure, if it's at all biased you will know when you rev the engine.

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: dirtybee] #652883
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rev the motor to make sure, if it's at all biased you will know when you rev the engine.




The factory procedure recomends as a final check to shut the engine off & watch the steering wheel when you resttart the car... even when you get the wheel where it won't move when you rev the engine if you watch the wheel at restart you might see a slight movement at restart.. It should remain still..

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #652884
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didn't remember that ,good advice.

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #652885
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The factory procedure recomends as a final check to shut the engine off & watch the steering wheel when you resttart the car... even when you get the wheel where it won't move when you rev the engine if you watch the wheel at restart you might see a slight movement at restart.. It should remain still..




Indeed, good advice. I think I'll go ahead but instead of tearing down the box I'll just replace what seals I can get to without having to do so. And since I'm not seeing any leaks coming from the valve body I'll just leave that alone...

Thanks for the advice btw.

(OP- didn't mean to threadjack so I'll shut up now )


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Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: Fury Fan] #652886
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go carts and 4-wheeler are not street legal either, i had to try the car out, i guess i could have left the car sitting in my garage and just looked at it

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: cornet684me] #652887
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It had to be entertaining to see it happen those pics are classic

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: Y3 70 BEE] #652888
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if they happened here, impounded car and a bunch of tickets.

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: 05dakota] #652889
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I personally can't stand manual steering. I am converting from manual to power on my '70 Bee. The best thing I ever did on my Cuda is replace the power box with a Stage 2 Firm Feel unit.... just awesome.

Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: cornet684me] #652890
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Good pictures, thanks for posting. Your problem was that the valve in that valve body was stuck. All you gotta do is take that whole valve body assembly off, take the valve out, clean it all up, and put it back together. All it is is a chunk of cast iron, a spool valve, and a plug on the end. Once it's cleaned up and reassembled repeat the adjustment procedure and you'll be good to take another drive around the block, but with PS this time.
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Re: Bad Mistake! 68 b body power steering gear box [Re: @#$%&*!] #652891
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go carts and 4-wheeler are not street legal either, i had to try the car out, i guess i could have left the car sitting in my garage and just looked at it





No, you could’ve had the car towed to a repair shop and fixed properly. Regardless if there are non-street legal ATVs or gocarts prowling your streets, don’t take your non-street-legal car out when it’s not safe to drive. Perhaps that should be ‘especially’ instead or ‘regardless’…

I’m beatin’ on you because I was in your shoes when I was younger. Trust me - learn life’s little lessons the hard way, let the older / BTDT folks guide you on the lessons that can be life-altering.

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