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March 26, 2010 - NOTICE OF DECERTIFICATION; NOTICE TO CEASE AND DESIST AND TERMINATION OF ALL CONTRACTS OF PARTICIPATION ISSUED TO IMPACT RACING
SFI Foundation, Inc., has issued a Notice of Decertification; Notice of Cease and Desist, and a notice terminating all Contracts of Participation to Impact Racing. Effective April 27, 2010, all products manufactured and/or distributed by Impact Racing pursuant to SFI Specification Programs 3.2A, 3.3, 16.1, and 16.5 are decertified. Evidence obtained by SFI shows that over a period of years Impact Racing has engaged in the production and use of counterfeit SFI conformance labels and patches, and affixed them to Impact products for use in motorsports. Under the Contracts of Participation between SFI and Impact, SFI conformance labels and patches may only be obtained from SFI and no other source. Evidence shows that Impact had counterfeit SFI labels and patches made in Asia and then affixed them to Impact products it distributed to members of the racing community. To SFI’s knowledge, Impact never advised its customers that its products contained phony SFI labels and patches. Impact never advised SFI of its systematic and longstanding practice of counterfeiting and distributing SFI patches and labeling.
Impact has been directed to cease and desist from this practice. SFI has directed Impact to immediately notify all affected customers to remove the counterfeit labeling and to offer the affected customers a full refund of the purchase price. SFI is requesting that all counterfeit conformance labels removed from Impact products be sent to SFI.
SFI has elected not to decertify these products immediately in order to minimize the potential hardships to members of the racing community that have been brought about by Impact’s counterfeiting activities.
SFI has also elected to terminate all Contracts of Participation with Impact Racing effective 90 days from March 24, 2010. Under the terms of the Contracts, either party may terminate the agreements without penalty upon 90 days notice. This means that Impact will no longer be able to participate in any SFI programs after this 90 day period.
SFI has taken these actions in the best interests of the safety and integrity of the racing community. This is in keeping with SFI’s mission and purpose.
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i wonder what's really going on here? 
Well before there jacket didnt meet sfi code and I
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Isn't this the former owner of Simpson? 
I think so
All I can say is WOW and I feel for those affected.
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Isn't this the former owner of Simpson?
I think so
All I can say is WOW and I feel for those affected.
Yep... sure am glad I dont own any Impact gear...
those guys are going to be Pisssed off specially
if they just purchased it ... a jacket and pants
arent cheap if its a /5 or better
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Isn't this the former owner of Simpson?
I think so
All I can say is WOW and I feel for those affected.
Yep... sure am glad I dont own any Impact gear...
those guys are going to be Pisssed off specially
if they just purchased it ... a jacket and pants
arent cheap if its a /5 or better
To say I'm pissed off would be a huge understatement.....not only due to the cost of replacement (suit, shoes, gloves, neck collar, arm restraints) but more due to my but being strapped into the roadster in a suit that is evidently not safe....that's the kicker 
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Rick again i could be dead wrong here but it's not necessarily true that your gear is unsafe. it's plausible i would think to have a item certified by design, duplicate the item and put the counterfeit tag on it rather than paying sfi for their tags. i would bet that sfi probably charges a premium for the tags given the profit potential the items have.
to add another twist to it you could have a item certified THEN begin making/selling substandard products but paying sfi for the legit tags.
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I don't blame Rickster or anybody else for being PO'd, I would feel the same way! Jamesc does have some valid points and I'd rather have my SFI sticker made in china rather than my helment  But that is no excuse nor good business practice for racers who TRUST HIS BRAND with their LIFE! It WILL be interesting to see how this all plays out in the days and weeks ahead.
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Rick again i could be dead wrong here but it's not necessarily true that your gear is unsafe. it's plausible i would think to have a item certified by design, duplicate the item and put the counterfeit tag on it rather than paying sfi for their tags. i would bet that sfi probably charges a premium for the tags given the profit potential the items have.
to add another twist to it you could have a item certified THEN begin making/selling substandard products but paying sfi for the legit tags.
I agree to a certain extent....you might feel safe strapping yourself in wearing a suspect product....but I sure wouldn't
and why should sfi be getting bashed period...nobody is reinventing the wheel here...it's been done this way for decades 
If simpson is putting bogus sfi tags on his product....then shame on him and him only
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maybe i'm dead wrong here for my comments but bill simpson has probably done more to advance racing safety than any other single person out there. now his previously owned company that bears his name is owned by businessmen who are having their safety equipment made in china etc. i'd like to get a new simpson bandit but the shells are now made in china. afaik all impact equipment was made in USA, i could be wrong. with sfi's history i wouldn't be surprised if they charge a premium for their approval over and above what it actually costs for the testing (read business not non-profit). obviously i have no first hand knowledge of all the aspects of the situation and would be sorely disappointed if simpson was knowingly and/or deliberately selling compromised safety equipment but off the cuff i'd rather have my sfi sticker made in china than my helmet...but that's just my twisted logic.
not all simpson products are made in china. the helmet I just bought was made in Kentucky.
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i'm not defending simpson or bashing sfi but what makes the product suspect? do you really think the sfi tag is what makes a product safe? like i said IF the products are unsafe they should IMMEDIATELY suspend their use completely. so from a actual point of safety either one of two things is true. the products are safe OR they're unsafe and SFI is opening itself to some serious litigation of anyone gets injured. only one of these can be true. like i said think about it. either the stuff is good or it's not and we're willing to compromise the entire concept the SFI is founded on...which do you think is true? believe me i would be just as smoking mad if i had a bunch of impact gear and this came out.
 sfi wants there money plain and simple
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i'm not defending simpson or bashing sfi but what makes the product suspect? do you really think the sfi tag is what makes a product safe? like i said IF the products are unsafe they should IMMEDIATELY suspend their use completely. so from a actual point of safety either one of two things is true. the products are safe OR they're unsafe and SFI is opening itself to some serious litigation of anyone gets injured. only one of these can be true. like i said think about it. either the stuff is good or it's not and we're willing to compromise the entire concept the SFI is founded on...which do you think is true? believe me i would be just as smoking mad if i had a bunch of impact gear and this came out.
and like I said James....I agree with that, but who says it actually is or not...????? Do you know...????? OK, I don't either and it pisses me off....if you can't understand that, then I'm sorry.
Guess we will see what comes from all this, but I am highly doubtful it will help any of us that are stuck with this crap and that is all it will be worth, thanks to Bill Simpson not playing by the rules.
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Let me get this straight..... Impact Racing and Simpson are TWO different companies.... correct..... all they are talking about is Impact
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Let me get this straight..... Impact Racing and Simpson
are TWO different companies.... correct..... all they
are talking about is Impact
Yes....he used to own Simpson, sold it and later started Impact.
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Let me get this straight..... Impact Racing and Simpson
are TWO different companies.... correct..... all they
are talking about is Impact
Yes....he used to own Simpson, sold it and later started Impact.
Rickster
Ok... I got it now, when you guys are saying Simpson,
you are saying Simpson as the owner and not the company
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Let me get this straight..... Impact Racing and Simpson
are TWO different companies.... correct..... all they
are talking about is Impact
Yes....he used to own Simpson, sold it and later started Impact.
Rickster
Ok... I got it now, when you guys are saying Simpson,
you are saying Simpson as the owner and not the company
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simpson racing was started by bill simpson then sold after the dale earnhardt incident (and death threats to him and his family). he then started impact racing which is the company being discussed here. Rick i understand your anger towards impact believe me, i know what this stuff costs. i would think if impact wants to stay in business they will attempt to make good. either that or bill simpson is probably done for good. again my point is this. SFI the organization that is supposed to be a non-profit organization dedicated to overseeing the design and materials of racing safety equipment (and charges for this service) is NOT immediately suspending the usage of said product. sixpac i'd be equally suspect of a organization supposedly founded in/on safety that was willing to allow people to race with a KNOWN substandard product. either the product is safe and the non-profit organization didn't get their cut or imho SFI's credibility has just been reduced to zero...take your pick, you only get one http://www.sfifoundation.com/
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simpson racing was started by bill simpson then sold after the dale earnhardt incident (and death threats to him and his family). he then started impact racing which is the company being discussed here.
Rick i understand your anger towards impact believe me, i know what this stuff costs. i would think if impact wants to stay in business they will attempt to make good. either that or bill simpson is probably done for good.
again my point is this. SFI the organization that is supposed to be a non-profit organization dedicated to overseeing the design and materials of racing safety equipment (and charges for this service) is NOT immediately suspending the usage of said product.
sixpac i'd be equally suspect of a organization supposedly founded in/on safety that was willing to allow people to race with a KNOWN substandard product.
either the product is safe and the non-profit organization didn't get their cut or imho SFI's credibility has just been reduced to zero...take your pick, you only get one
http://www.sfifoundation.com/
Don't take this personally James, but I do get quite tired of hearing about "SFI" getting there cut. Any non-profit organization has costs to bear in order to exist....SFI is the choice of both NHRA, IHRA and a host of other racing organizations picked to test and certify safety equipment and apparel. For Impact to try and bypass this system is a slap in the face to all racers that have put they're faith and trust into Impact's products regardless of whether they actually safe or not...there is NO EXCUSE EXCEPTABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF PRACTICE
With recent problems Impact went through last year with it's products I am certainly leaning towards them being solely at fault here
Now knock it off because I'm running out of cents or maybe sense 
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the part about why he sold...sounds like a soap opera...with some of the stories..?
he sold the company...Simpson
plane and simple..a divorce may have factor'd
but...the Ernhart stuff...never made sense to me.
the way i saw it as it was happening...
he had a new revolutionary fire proof product.
"kept that under his vest"
he sold off the old company..."Simpson"
waited for the non compete clause to expire.
then launched his new line of fire retardant products..under new name..IMPACT
its that simple..
and a smart move if you ask me..
as far as the fake SFI badging..
that was not a smart move if you ask me.
but no one asked..
so back to our regularly scheduled posts..
i have simpson and G-force stuff personally.
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I'm just tossing this in here... No real dog in this fight... But regardless of the fees associated with the sticker, there also comes a certain liability for affixing it for the certifying company. If the stuff wasn't tested properly and tagged as counterfit, then the liability is being passed to Impact without any investment by the company. It's like if Hyundai started buildig Challengers with Dodge emblems for the same money and then you wanted a Dodge dealership to warranty it. My impression after reading this is SFI is saying "we know about it and it's Impact's deal", so the liability can be pushed off them. Whether the garments or items are truly safe, I have no clue and I don't know if I'd trust them the same way. Just my thoughts here...
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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last year IMPACT was caught selling firesuits labeled as three layer that were only two,layers
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July 19, 2009 - NOTICE OF TEMPORARY PRODUCT DECERTIFICATION. Effective July 9, 2009: Pursuant to SFI Test Laboratory reports, SFI Foundation, Inc. has reason to believe that certain Impact Racing products manufactured in the year 2007 do not fully comply with the minimum standards set forth in the SFI Specification 3.2A Program. Therefore, pursuant to Section 12.0 of the program, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, and UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, any and all driver suits, pants, and jackets manufactured by Impact Racing pursuant to SFI Spec 3.2A/15 and 3.2A/20 at any time during the year 2007 are hereby TEMPORARILY DECERTIFIED by SFI Foundation, Inc. This temporary decertification applies to all such products whether or not they have been updated, upgraded, rebadged, or recertified by Impact Racing. This temporary decertification applies even if the product now has a 2009 SFI label affixed to the product. The date of manufacture of the product is determinative.
This decertification is temporary and will remain in effect until further notice from SFI. The manufacturer has challenged SFI’s findings in this matter and is conducting its own review of the findings and the full compliance of the products in question. SFI’s investigation continues. This decertification may be modified, withdrawn, or made permanent.
Fred, you beat me to it.
i said i was never going to buy any impact products after last years fiasco with inferior product.
i knew this was going to happen eventually with impact.
its called greed, and i think this is the end for impact.i saw there produce and was not impressed by some of my fellow racers swore by impacts product because it was made in the USA.
i'm having a tough time swallowing that Impact was made in USA.im thinking made in China,with the Chinese labels, theres no other reason to try and bypass SFI. im thinking poor quality and unsafe safety equipment.
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Didn't they have problem last year or 2 years ago . Wasn't alky dragsters ,funny cars drive have a false rating and inferior material used ? thought it was Simpson then .could be wrong DR
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i am sure Rick referred to this incident in his post..
he is doubley P.O'D i am sure as he feels duped twice....
i dont blame him....
id be p'd as well..
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Didn't they have problem last year or 2 years ago .
Wasn't alky dragsters ,funny cars drive have a false rating and inferior material used ?
thought it was Simpson then .could be wrong
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Yea and I bet those China harmonic dampers that have a few pop rivets and an aluminum ring to hold the outer from flying off --and that have an SFI sticker are just PERFECT. No one complains about those because we all know that we are cheating the price raising SFI devil on that one aren't we? SFI looks to have been invented by the US Congress --they SAY it is for our own good but it COST us more $$$$!!!! and they are supposed to be non profit but then they Lord over as many parts makers as they can--more and more stuff has to be SFI -- I don't know anymore--you can buy knock off anything if you look around---and the REAL stuff ain't all that great so... many other products available for our race cars that are required to be SFI are JUNK -- you can't get tore up about a suit and not get that way about a fake flexplate or.... One word sums it all up for both sides GREED.
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One can only expect the companies to be trying to cut corners to make a better profit. But,,then again,,maybe THEY should go "non-profit" like SFI,NHRA, etc. It seems to me, that ALL "non-profit" orginizations make out OKAY every year. WHY,,,??? NO TAXES...!! SFI was formed and intended for a good purpose, but looks like it may be corrupt just like our elected officials who 'started out with a good purpose'. Everyday brings new turn of events that haven't been seen before because these times have never been seen before.
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wow...so simpson the company is ok to use, impact the company owned by Mr Simpson...is not?
what about the SNELL ratings on the helmets? I'm in the market for a full face helmet, and have been looking at some of the Simpson helmets...what other name brands are there out there that are affordable? is Bell totally independent of Impact and Simpson?
what helmets are US made?
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wow...so simpson the company is ok to use, impact the company owned by Mr Simpson...is not?
what about the SNELL ratings on the helmets? I'm in the market for a full face helmet, and have been looking at some of the Simpson helmets...what other name brands are there out there that are affordable? is Bell totally independent of Impact and Simpson?
what helmets are US made?
be careful with some of the simpson helmets. mine is made in the USA but some are not.
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Its kind of strange (well not really) how this whole post got turned around. No where did SFI say that the Impact items 1: are not safe, or 2: not SFI certified. It states that Impact attached labels obtained from a source other than SFI. It does not appear to be a case of SFI labels on an uncertified product.
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Its kind of strange (well not really) how this whole post got turned around.
No where did SFI say that the Impact items 1: are not safe, or 2: not SFI certified. It states that Impact attached labels obtained from a source other than SFI.
It does not appear to be a case of SFI labels on an uncertified product.
it looks like the bogus labels themselves are reason to make the move. For some reason there were corners being cut.I am curious if a maker has to pay SFI per label ?
However this is the same outfit that also sold suits that were not as advertised in that two ply were sold as three ply and some racers nearly got burned badly. That make it stink out loud.Any manufacture of safety equipment that tries to sell a product under either of the two violations should be jailed.They are messing with people's lives
Manufacturer's are required to purchase the labels from SFI per CONTRACT. It has been this way for years....you get caught cheating the system (breaking the TOC) not a wise decision IMHO and again a HUGE SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE RACING COMMUNITY for creating this tremendous inconvenience and hardship for the majority
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judging by the decertifications and recall on the sfi site it would be surprising if impact stays in business. i wonder what the outcome of these infractions has been there doesn't seem to be any follow up information. either way sounds like simpson has worn out his welcome with them.
GREED plain and simple. I hope they go out of business!!
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First Impact suits http://www.insidetopalcohol.com/showthread.php?t=22813Then the HANS clips http://www.dragracingsafety.com/articles/article-4.htmlNow this. The whole point of the label is trust and adhering to the rules. The company is selling suits that are labelled SFI approved. This means YOU pass inspection at the track. If they are forging the tag, they are defrauding SFI for the tag price (which funds the testing) and YOU since the suit does not meet the requirements needed to pass tech (a proper SFI label)! It has been said here and on other forums that this is a head-butting contest, but for all that have this equipment, you are the ones that are losing due to the cost of replacing the equipment in a short amount of time and at your own expense. As to why SFI has not pulled the stuff right now, my uneducated guess is that it was done this way for the following reasons: 1. To allow time for Impact to defend itself in court. If this were not allowed to happen, SFI could lose and would be responsible for any and all expenses and slander. Innocent until proven guilty. 2. To provide a bit of time (although not enough, judging from other forums) to let the racers comply and not halt all SFI spec racing. 3. So that the extent of the issue can be narrowed and defined. Say you have a suit that is manufacturered to the standards and does have the SFI tag. You would rightly expect to be able to use the suit or have someone replace it with one that does. If your suit does not pass the standards (which requires destructive testing to really be sure), it doesn't matter which tag is on it, Impact is to blame. 4. If SFI had not given some sort of notice before this went to court or before they yanked the certification, there would be a lot of people asking why they didn't give any notice. They came out now AND provided a cut-off date. IMHO, Any company that sells something as legit that is a forgery is committing fraud, whether the item is safe or not. The label is part of the requirements for the item to be sold as certified, and the comsumer is purchasing the item to comply with the certification and be legal to particapate with a scantioning body that has adopted those certifications in it's rules. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraudFraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result. http://www.sfifoundation.com/Who Uses SFI Standards? Manufacturers of equipment are the primary users of SFI standards. Some standards are adopted as part of the rules of race sanctioning organizations. It is important to keep in mind that any such use of counterfeit labeling is in violation of the SFI specification programs. Under the Contracts of Participation between SFI and Impact, SFI conformance labels and patches may only be obtained from SFI and no other source. Evidence shows that Impact had counterfeit SFI labels and patches made in Asia and then affixed them to Impact products it distributed to members of the racing community.
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SFI ? I do have a ? on SFI ceritfication. I buy a new set of seat belts that have never been off the shelf and because they were sitting there for a long time waiting or because it took me a long time to finish my build, they are no lnger SFI certified because of the date expiring. Why are they no longer safe even though they have never been out of the plastic bag they came in??? Same thing with my Lakewood Scattershield. Brand new, never even been bolted to a motor, still in the original box, but now it is unsafe because the SFI sticker says the safe time has expired.!! I understand I can send these to SFI or someone and Pay a fee to have them recertified, but why do I have to pay for this if they are brand new? Is it just a fee grab on SFI part? I suppose everything has a safety limit when it is being used and stressed. But it makes no sense to have an arbitrary life limit from date of Mfg instead of date sold. I have read other post on here before about this same thing from other Moparts members. Just thinking out loud. I don't think the presence af that SFI sticker really makes an item safe or the lack of the sticker makes it non safe.  
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I do have a ? on SFI ceritfication. I buy a new set of seat belts that have never been off the shelf and because they were sitting there for a long time waiting or because it took me a long time to finish my build, they are no lnger SFI certified because of the date expiring. Why are they no longer safe even though they have never been out of the plastic bag they came in??? Same thing with my Lakewood Scattershield. Brand new, never even been bolted to a motor, still in the original box, but now it is unsafe because the SFI sticker says the safe time has expired.!!
I understand I can send these to SFI or someone and Pay a fee to have them recertified, but why do I have to pay for this if they are brand new? Is it just a fee grab on SFI part? I suppose everything has a safety limit when it is being used and stressed. But it makes no sense to have an arbitrary life limit from date of Mfg instead of date sold. I have read other post on here before about this same thing from other Moparts members.
Just thinking out loud. I don't think the presence af that SFI sticker really makes an item safe or the lack of the sticker makes it non safe.
and your car sits for three years and now needs a recert....who's fault is that....??????
Ya know this game has been being played this way since as far back as I can remember and I didn't drink any beer today so my memory is pretty clear  ....THESE ARE THE SAME RULES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY MANY YEARS....why is that so hard for some to understand 
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looks like it hit a nerve!
looks like this is the demise of IMPACT.
i cant see anyone buying another product from IMPACT unless that anyone has no previous knowledge of this serious incident.
i know for one that i'll never buy anything from IMPACT in the future.
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looks like it hit a nerve!
looks like this is the demise of IMPACT.
i cant see anyone buying another product from IMPACT unless that anyone has no previous knowledge of this serious incident.
i know for one that i'll never buy anything from IMPACT in the future.
What Future
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I just bought a new helmet from their Brownsburg showroom last September. I know the helmets are snell and not SFI but I am still uncomfortable. 
I feel pretty comfortable about all my Impact stuff except I'll most likely only be able to salvage the helmet out of this 
Still awaiting the verdict
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Sounds like an employee whose conscience may have got to him and stepped forward. IIRC since 2005 this has been going on? I know I could not let that go and sleep at night. For Bill Simpson to roll the dice and risk his name and business and quite possibly racers lives by doing something like this is just  to me! Especially after the Dale Sr. incident. What else can SFI find or might they already have When was IMPACT founded?
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looks like it hit a nerve!
looks like this is the demise of IMPACT.
i cant see anyone buying another product from IMPACT unless that anyone has no previous knowledge of this serious incident.
i know for one that i'll never buy anything from IMPACT in the future.
What Future
maybe IMPACT will get a government bailout.
maybe FUTURE was a poor choice of words.huh?
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I just bought a new helmet from their Brownsburg showroom last September. I know the helmets are snell and not SFI but I am still uncomfortable.
I have a few bucks in gear from impact and it seems more of a money issue from SFI than the the equipment is going to fail.
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I have a pair of shoes to return to Jegs, everything else was purchased from either Impact directly or SS Motorsports , who have already said sorry can't help Needless to say " SS Motorsports " will never see another dime of my $$$$$$ Rickster
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I have a pair of shoes to return to Jegs, everything else was purchased from either Impact directly or SS Motorsports , who have already said sorry can't help
Needless to say " SS Motorsports " will never see another dime of my $$$$$$
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Same here mine came from impact directly and you know were never going to get any money back.
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Sounds like a pissed off employee.
I dont think so... sounds like he is just trying to
cover his but and I believe thats a court document
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Wayne is that a 5 or a 15 suit?
all my Impact clothing is /5. Fortunately I got in on a Simpson group buy with the Div1 boys for my /15 suit.
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or not. racers have enough costs to bear to stay in compliance with the rules and regulations.
