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Did you install the spacer to raise the rear of the trans?

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I would like to know more about this issue as well. My Keisler and TTIs are being shipped as we speak. They should arrive within the next week, and this makes me very nervous.

I thought the trans was modified so that you did not have to alter the drive line angle. i.e. notching the rear shift mount to clear the torsion bar cross member.

Can you post a pic of your clearance issue so I can better understand what I am about to walk into?

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Also you may have interference with the steering hitting the oil pan, and possibly the steering arm hitting the header.

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So when I was told that their tranny would go right in my 71 Cuda' (has 4 speed hump) they were not accurate/honest, and I will have to modify my hump still? Man I'm gonna be hot if that's the case! Means I have to pretty much gut my car? I wondered when the kit came with the sheet metal piece. Too late even at that point.

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Oh, it will "go right in" but the tail-end will probably be to low for proper drive-line geometry... depending on your ride height. The tunnel mod wasn't hard (I already had the hump too) and I didn't care about cutting my car. But if you don't want to cut....

All you can do is test fit and see how it looks.

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So whats the best way to go about cutting?

I obviously need to pull the console and the carpet. I would like to not have to pull the tranny.

Dayclona so if I understand you correctly. I need to make a cut that goes from the shift hole, to the firewall seem. That cut is going to spread outwards as it makes it closer to the firewall. I will also need to bend or cut the flange under the tranny tunnel. Make a patch weld it in and reassemble? By doing this I will be able to tuck those headers up nice and high and actually pull in my garage without dragging them

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So when I was told that their tranny would go right in my 71 Cuda' (has 4 speed hump) they were not accurate/honest, and I will have to modify my hump still? Man I'm gonna be hot if that's the case! Means I have to pretty much gut my car? I wondered when the kit came with the sheet metal piece. Too late even at that point.

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Kirby keep in mind your kit you just purchased is recent, the E body kit has undergone more upgrades since it's inception than perhaps any other Keisler kit,.....I changed out an old E body Keisler install, not to long ago, done back originally in 2002 by a customer,....had the customer send the tranny into Keisler for current upgrades, hyd. TOB, case mods, and new 3rd Gen shifter install,....it was like night and day, the tranny now tucked up higher in the tunnel with no mods to the floor, shifted better, plus the driveline angle was greatly restored back to "original" as this customers car suffered from a poor driveline angle for the sake of not modding the floor, which the customer still wanted to retain original, the end result was a 3 degree shim to the axle perches to rephase the driveline....this Keisler TKO being a very early model, lacked the current upgrades done to the new cases/kits,...so IMHO go about the install as you would installing a 4 speed, and check the driveline angle of your exsisting set up verses the Keisler install, if you prefer a preliminary mock up, just the bell. tranny, and tranny mount to establish a baseline in which to make a determination regarding the driveline angle, before making the complete install..

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One more reason to pray that Passon gets his new design 5-speed right.

Oh, it will be right, or it won't be sold. I have been very attentive to some of the "issues" that have arrived with the kits that "don't require cutting." I will not make the same mistakes that those have made previously.
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So when I was told that their tranny would go right in my 71 Cuda' (has 4 speed hump) they were not accurate/honest, and I will have to modify my hump still? Man I'm gonna be hot if that's the case! Means I have to pretty much gut my car? I wondered when the kit came with the sheet metal piece. Too late even at that point.

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I hope your are right. Thanks Mike!




Kirby keep in mind your kit you just purchased is recent, the E body kit has undergone more upgrades since it's inception than perhaps any other Keisler kit,.....I changed out an old E body Keisler install, not to long ago, done back originally in 2002 by a customer,....had the customer send the tranny into Keisler for current upgrades, hyd. TOB, case mods, and new 3rd Gen shifter install,....it was like night and day, the tranny now tucked up higher in the tunnel with no mods to the floor, shifted better, plus the driveline angle was greatly restored back to "original" as this customers car suffered from a poor driveline angle for the sake of not modding the floor, which the customer still wanted to retain original, the end result was a 3 degree shim to the axle perches to rephase the driveline....this Keisler TKO being a very early model, lacked the current upgrades done to the new cases/kits,...so IMHO go about the install as you would installing a 4 speed, and check the driveline angle of your exsisting set up verses the Keisler install, if you prefer a preliminary mock up, just the bell. tranny, and tranny mount to establish a baseline in which to make a determination regarding the driveline angle, before making the complete install..

Mike

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OK so I got the car up in the air today and started looking a little closer at everything.

It looks like making things fit in the tunnel will be very easy, however I have a question about the torsion bar crossmember.

It looks like I barley have 1" of play room. My TKO is a newer "modded" one by keisler. Have any of you had to modify your crossmember? Or is that 1" enough room to make things right?

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OK so I got the car up in the air today and started looking a little closer at everything.

It looks like making things fit in the tunnel will be very easy, however I have a question about the torsion bar crossmember.

It looks like I barley have 1" of play room. My TKO is a newer "modded" one by keisler. Have any of you had to modify your crossmember? Or is that 1" enough room to make things right?

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Ryan,....I didn't have to touch the torsion bar crossmember in my Keisler TKO 600 1970 Charger install, although it's very close about 1/2" clearance between the crossmember and the transmission, it causes no contact issuses, just make sure to have enough clearance around the shift tower as it protrudes thru the floor,for when the driveline torques over. if you remove the shift tower during install, it's easy to mistakenly install it 180 degrees, the "flat" machined on the shifter attachment nub where the shifter bolts to, faces the drivers side....


Mike

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I do not have my car assembled. But I did do a mock up. I have a hemi with 2 1/8 tti headers.

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Pete did you mock up the headers on the engine with the bellhousing in place as well,..SOME TTI's header tubes on the passenger side will contact the lower lip of the Keisler bellhousing where the inspection cover bolts too,...may need a trim on the corner flange of the bells inspection cover lip, otherwise it puts stress on the header flange as you bolt it to the engine, or if the engine is in with the headers bolted, you won't be able to mount the bellhousing due to interference

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Pete,...did you ever get the 3rd gen shift tower from Richard at Keisler to upgrade?...as I see the Gen 1 in your pics

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Mike I did get the upgraded tower. A while back when I posted some pics you mentioned that there could be some minor issues, I was contacted by the guys at keisler and sent upgraded parts at no charge. It is obvious that they watch and respond to the buyers of their products.
While I have to admit my project is not mobile I have had support. There again I went by direction and cut the hole in the floor as told. I did it my way and all told the included templete was just about spot on.

We may have to talk one day.

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Well, seats are out, carpet is out and tunnel ready to be "modified". The cutting will begin tomorrow!

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