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Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: Kirby] #636175
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So when I was told that their tranny would go right in my 71 Cuda' (has 4 speed hump) they were not accurate/honest, and I will have to modify my hump still? Man I'm gonna be hot if that's the case! Means I have to pretty much gut my car? I wondered when the kit came with the sheet metal piece. Too late even at that point.




Oh, it will "go right in" but the tail-end will probably be to low for proper drive-line geometry... depending on your ride height. The tunnel mod wasn't hard (I already had the hump too) and I didn't care about cutting my car. But if you don't want to cut....

All you can do is test fit and see how it looks.

Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: Kirby] #636176
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Here's a couple shots of the 70-74' E-body/71-72' b-body tunnel mod necessary to get the driveline angle correct.
Panel I used is patterned from the one that came with the kit but from the next thicker gauge sheet metal stock, matching the original floor pan thickness.




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Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #636177
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So whats the best way to go about cutting?

I obviously need to pull the console and the carpet. I would like to not have to pull the tranny.

Dayclona so if I understand you correctly. I need to make a cut that goes from the shift hole, to the firewall seem. That cut is going to spread outwards as it makes it closer to the firewall. I will also need to bend or cut the flange under the tranny tunnel. Make a patch weld it in and reassemble? By doing this I will be able to tuck those headers up nice and high and actually pull in my garage without dragging them


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Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: 69charger440_6pa] #636178
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So whats the best way to go about cutting?

I obviously need to pull the console and the carpet. I would like to not have to pull the tranny.

Dayclona so if I understand you correctly. I need to make a cut that goes from the shift hole, to the firewall seem. That cut is going to spread outwards as it makes it closer to the firewall. I will also need to bend or cut the flange under the tranny tunnel. Make a patch weld it in and reassemble? By doing this I will be able to tuck those headers up nice and high and actually pull in my garage without dragging them







Ryan the way Doug chose to increase the height of the tranny tunnel is favorable to, as I said the Tremec is a tall (vertical) case, in my install in the 70 B body, I could have left the floor stock, and would have had to deal with rephaseing the driveline, which you will be REQUIRED to check/confirm and perform anyway, but apon intial checking with a inclination meter, determined the angles were to radical, so I cut a seam from the shifter opening were the Keisler shift tower protrudes straight up the center to the floor/firewall seam, them made a cut across the seam, basically a "T" shaped cut, then pulled the seam open starting at the firewall/floor seam, the filler strip was about 2" wide, 2 ft long,,,tapering to a point at the shifter hole,.....Keisler applications vary from body to body, engine to engine, some cars I've done, no floor mods needed, other than a 4 speed hump, some cars are mildly modded on the floor, some radical,....but basically I firmly believe the driveline angle should be proper, regardless of what has to be done to the trans tunnel or brace, the benefits of the Keisler far outway the merits of so-called "originality" regarding the tranny tunnel

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Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: Kirby] #636179
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So when I was told that their tranny would go right in my 71 Cuda' (has 4 speed hump) they were not accurate/honest, and I will have to modify my hump still? Man I'm gonna be hot if that's the case! Means I have to pretty much gut my car? I wondered when the kit came with the sheet metal piece. Too late even at that point.








Kirby keep in mind your kit you just purchased is recent, the E body kit has undergone more upgrades since it's inception than perhaps any other Keisler kit,.....I changed out an old E body Keisler install, not to long ago, done back originally in 2002 by a customer,....had the customer send the tranny into Keisler for current upgrades, hyd. TOB, case mods, and new 3rd Gen shifter install,....it was like night and day, the tranny now tucked up higher in the tunnel with no mods to the floor, shifted better, plus the driveline angle was greatly restored back to "original" as this customers car suffered from a poor driveline angle for the sake of not modding the floor, which the customer still wanted to retain original, the end result was a 3 degree shim to the axle perches to rephase the driveline....this Keisler TKO being a very early model, lacked the current upgrades done to the new cases/kits,...so IMHO go about the install as you would installing a 4 speed, and check the driveline angle of your exsisting set up verses the Keisler install, if you prefer a preliminary mock up, just the bell. tranny, and tranny mount to establish a baseline in which to make a determination regarding the driveline angle, before making the complete install..

Mike

Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: Challenger_Nut] #636180
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One more reason to pray that Passon gets his new design 5-speed right.

Oh, it will be right, or it won't be sold. I have been very attentive to some of the "issues" that have arrived with the kits that "don't require cutting." I will not make the same mistakes that those have made previously.
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Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: DAYCLONA] #636181
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So when I was told that their tranny would go right in my 71 Cuda' (has 4 speed hump) they were not accurate/honest, and I will have to modify my hump still? Man I'm gonna be hot if that's the case! Means I have to pretty much gut my car? I wondered when the kit came with the sheet metal piece. Too late even at that point.




I hope your are right. Thanks Mike!




Kirby keep in mind your kit you just purchased is recent, the E body kit has undergone more upgrades since it's inception than perhaps any other Keisler kit,.....I changed out an old E body Keisler install, not to long ago, done back originally in 2002 by a customer,....had the customer send the tranny into Keisler for current upgrades, hyd. TOB, case mods, and new 3rd Gen shifter install,....it was like night and day, the tranny now tucked up higher in the tunnel with no mods to the floor, shifted better, plus the driveline angle was greatly restored back to "original" as this customers car suffered from a poor driveline angle for the sake of not modding the floor, which the customer still wanted to retain original, the end result was a 3 degree shim to the axle perches to rephase the driveline....this Keisler TKO being a very early model, lacked the current upgrades done to the new cases/kits,...so IMHO go about the install as you would installing a 4 speed, and check the driveline angle of your exsisting set up verses the Keisler install, if you prefer a preliminary mock up, just the bell. tranny, and tranny mount to establish a baseline in which to make a determination regarding the driveline angle, before making the complete install..

Mike



Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: Kirby] #636182
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OK so I got the car up in the air today and started looking a little closer at everything.

It looks like making things fit in the tunnel will be very easy, however I have a question about the torsion bar crossmember.

It looks like I barley have 1" of play room. My TKO is a newer "modded" one by keisler. Have any of you had to modify your crossmember? Or is that 1" enough room to make things right?


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OK so I got the car up in the air today and started looking a little closer at everything.

It looks like making things fit in the tunnel will be very easy, however I have a question about the torsion bar crossmember.

It looks like I barley have 1" of play room. My TKO is a newer "modded" one by keisler. Have any of you had to modify your crossmember? Or is that 1" enough room to make things right?








Ryan,....I didn't have to touch the torsion bar crossmember in my Keisler TKO 600 1970 Charger install, although it's very close about 1/2" clearance between the crossmember and the transmission, it causes no contact issuses, just make sure to have enough clearance around the shift tower as it protrudes thru the floor,for when the driveline torques over. if you remove the shift tower during install, it's easy to mistakenly install it 180 degrees, the "flat" machined on the shifter attachment nub where the shifter bolts to, faces the drivers side....


For future reference, If you remove the shift tower at any time and have problems installing it later, or the shifter seems" jambed" in gear and won't move, it's because the transmission wasn't in neutral during the shift tower install, here's a pic of where the internal shift rods should be for "neutral" to properly reinstall the shift tower


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Re: Anyone running a keisler 5 speed with TTi headers? [Re: DAYCLONA] #636184
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OK so I got the car up in the air today and started looking a little closer at everything.

It looks like making things fit in the tunnel will be very easy, however I have a question about the torsion bar crossmember.

It looks like I barley have 1" of play room. My TKO is a newer "modded" one by keisler. Have any of you had to modify your crossmember? Or is that 1" enough room to make things right?








Ryan,....I didn't have to touch the torsion bar crossmember in my Keisler TKO 600 1970 Charger install, although it's very close about 1/2" clearance between the crossmember and the transmission, it causes no contact issuses, just make sure to have enough clearance around the shift tower as it protrudes thru the floor,for when the driveline torques over. if you remove the shift tower during install, it's easy to mistakenly install it 180 degrees, the "flat" machined on the shifter attachment nub where the shifter bolts to, faces the drivers side....


Mike




OK thanks!


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I do not have my car assembled. But I did do a mock up. I have a hemi with 2 1/8 tti headers.

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