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Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car #616198
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All you experts out thier!!!! I need some assistance with a choice of running a 3 speed AA tranny or run a 2 speed glide.???

I plan on running a 727 Allison trans w/ brake in my Scamp that is built with the best parts money can buy.5000 stall convertor. running 500+ inch motor and 4:56 gear in my Plymouth Scamp, car weighs 2500 pounds.
Now I have a chance to get my hands on a Glide w/ tranny w brake. My hang up is that a 2 speed is a slow dog out of the hole?? Will this hurt the ET.
Any advice from those that switched..

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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616199
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All you experts out thier!!!! I need some assistance with a choice of running a 3 speed AA tranny or run a 2 speed glide.???

I plan on running a 727 Allison trans w/ brake in my Scamp that is built with the best parts money can buy.5000 stall convertor. running 500+ inch motor and 4:56 gear in my Plymouth Scamp, car weighs 2500 pounds.
Now I have a chance to get my hands on a Glide w/ tranny w brake. My hang up is that a 2 speed is a slow dog out of the hole?? Will this hurt the ET.
Any advice from those that switched..




I have one sitting here but no converter for it yet
so when you deiced... let me know... I have heard
it calms the off line issues and should MPH better
(if you get the right conv) which should cover up
the off line slowness

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: MR_P_BODY] #616200
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i swapped over to a glide mid season last year,i went with just a little more stall than i had with 727,same 60ft,same 1/8 et +1mph,it took a little getting used to waiting a little longer to make the one shift.i was just going for more consistancy.

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: sam64] #616201
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Sam, it sounds like the PG would be even better for your application running the full 1/4 mile. I bet the ET and mph would be higher.
What is the combo and ET/mph?

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: 440Jim] #616202
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it's a .030 440 10.5 eddy otb heads.,.570 ish solid lifter cam 4500 stall p/g 4.86 gear 32x14.5x15 mt,3,000lbs race wt.6.67,102.i just freshened the top end after 3 years so it may be a little better.this is also with a 1.50 60ft.foot braking i stage at 2800 rpm,shift at 6000.

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616203
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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: chryco] #616204
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Whats the comparison?
Are your looking for consistency? At 2500 lbs I would be looking at a glide without question.


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Bob_Coomer] #616205
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Made the switch from 904 to Glide towards the end of the year. Lost .04 in 60ft and another .02 in the 1/8th for a total loss of about .06 It calmed the launch down for sure but that was exactly what I was looking for. I also went to a spragless converter in the process as well.


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: chryco] #616206
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What's the ratio on the Glide? If it's a stock planet it needs to be 1.76. The 1.82s are week and wont last long with any power. If the car weighs 25 with you that's pretty light and the Glide should work well. My car still weighed almost 3k when I switched. It lost about a hundredth 1/8th mile and 2 hun. 1/4 mile but the mph went up a little and so did the consistency. That was with a pretty small motor.

With the data you provided my opinion is the car shouldn't slow down at all. The initial hit might be a little softer but the car will hook better and pull harder through low and should ET just as well, even in the 1/8th.

Every body talks about how quick their 60 foot times are but so what? Fast 60 foots mean absolutely NOTHING! Consistent 60's mean EVERYTHING.

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616207
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BTW, "slow dog out of the hole???




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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: sg66mopar] #616208
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Oops forgot to mention that mine is 3000 lbs so the lighter the better with the glide. I am pretty happy with the switch. Mine has a 4.88 rear gear and 1.80 straight cut first.


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: sg66mopar] #616209
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Yeah, Glides are a dog out of the Hole...


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: MoparBilly] #616210
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1.25 - 1.28 60s with 4.10 gears.

5.69 @ 121 best 1/8th mile

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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car #616212
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If you are a racer then a glide is a no brainer. Perhaps if you are more the test and tune type then maybe if you had the right motor I would say TF but it would have to be something that woudl benefit greatly from the increased startingline ration adn could use the third gear, read that as a combo with a narrow power band, not your typical BB Mopar. IMO the Glide is the best way to go.

Mine actually is a turd out of the hole with a best of 1.22 but we all know my convertor is all wrong for my combo. But boy does it work well on the stop


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Al_Alguire] #616213
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$$$$, weight and strengh made me choose a glide, that and most any local trans shop can fix them for cheaper

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I have never bought into the weight arguement. Does not hold water plenty of heavy cars making brutal power run them. Looks at the heads up crowd plenty of 3000+ pound cars making well over 2000hp running them. My Valiant weighed 3470 ran 9.0's and the glide worked flawlessly.


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car #616216
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Thanks for all the info guys, look like the glide is going to be the choice. The glide that i'm thinking of getting has a 1.76 cut. so im in the game with this tranny.

Just going to have to work on the converter

You all should see the car this spring at one of the CC events, IM HOPING!!!! If not the Daytona will be thier for sure..

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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616217
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Nice car. I think you will like the glide. You will probably want a 1.80 straight cut gearset though. My 2850# Dart went 1.180 60' numerous times. My 2480# Firebird has gone 1.09 60' on motor and my dragster 1.03
The nice thing is you will have a huge selection of convertors to try. B&M makes a killer 8" that would work well with your combo...

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