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Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car #616198
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All you experts out thier!!!! I need some assistance with a choice of running a 3 speed AA tranny or run a 2 speed glide.???

I plan on running a 727 Allison trans w/ brake in my Scamp that is built with the best parts money can buy.5000 stall convertor. running 500+ inch motor and 4:56 gear in my Plymouth Scamp, car weighs 2500 pounds.
Now I have a chance to get my hands on a Glide w/ tranny w brake. My hang up is that a 2 speed is a slow dog out of the hole?? Will this hurt the ET.
Any advice from those that switched..

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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616199
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All you experts out thier!!!! I need some assistance with a choice of running a 3 speed AA tranny or run a 2 speed glide.???

I plan on running a 727 Allison trans w/ brake in my Scamp that is built with the best parts money can buy.5000 stall convertor. running 500+ inch motor and 4:56 gear in my Plymouth Scamp, car weighs 2500 pounds.
Now I have a chance to get my hands on a Glide w/ tranny w brake. My hang up is that a 2 speed is a slow dog out of the hole?? Will this hurt the ET.
Any advice from those that switched..




I have one sitting here but no converter for it yet
so when you deiced... let me know... I have heard
it calms the off line issues and should MPH better
(if you get the right conv) which should cover up
the off line slowness

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: MR_P_BODY] #616200
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i swapped over to a glide mid season last year,i went with just a little more stall than i had with 727,same 60ft,same 1/8 et +1mph,it took a little getting used to waiting a little longer to make the one shift.i was just going for more consistancy.

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: sam64] #616201
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Sam, it sounds like the PG would be even better for your application running the full 1/4 mile. I bet the ET and mph would be higher.
What is the combo and ET/mph?

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: 440Jim] #616202
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it's a .030 440 10.5 eddy otb heads.,.570 ish solid lifter cam 4500 stall p/g 4.86 gear 32x14.5x15 mt,3,000lbs race wt.6.67,102.i just freshened the top end after 3 years so it may be a little better.this is also with a 1.50 60ft.foot braking i stage at 2800 rpm,shift at 6000.

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616203
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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: chryco] #616204
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Whats the comparison?
Are your looking for consistency? At 2500 lbs I would be looking at a glide without question.


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Bob_Coomer] #616205
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Made the switch from 904 to Glide towards the end of the year. Lost .04 in 60ft and another .02 in the 1/8th for a total loss of about .06 It calmed the launch down for sure but that was exactly what I was looking for. I also went to a spragless converter in the process as well.


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: chryco] #616206
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What's the ratio on the Glide? If it's a stock planet it needs to be 1.76. The 1.82s are week and wont last long with any power. If the car weighs 25 with you that's pretty light and the Glide should work well. My car still weighed almost 3k when I switched. It lost about a hundredth 1/8th mile and 2 hun. 1/4 mile but the mph went up a little and so did the consistency. That was with a pretty small motor.

With the data you provided my opinion is the car shouldn't slow down at all. The initial hit might be a little softer but the car will hook better and pull harder through low and should ET just as well, even in the 1/8th.

Every body talks about how quick their 60 foot times are but so what? Fast 60 foots mean absolutely NOTHING! Consistent 60's mean EVERYTHING.

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616207
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BTW, "slow dog out of the hole???




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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: sg66mopar] #616208
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Oops forgot to mention that mine is 3000 lbs so the lighter the better with the glide. I am pretty happy with the switch. Mine has a 4.88 rear gear and 1.80 straight cut first.


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: sg66mopar] #616209
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Yeah, Glides are a dog out of the Hole...


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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: MoparBilly] #616210
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1.25 - 1.28 60s with 4.10 gears.

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If you are a racer then a glide is a no brainer. Perhaps if you are more the test and tune type then maybe if you had the right motor I would say TF but it would have to be something that woudl benefit greatly from the increased startingline ration adn could use the third gear, read that as a combo with a narrow power band, not your typical BB Mopar. IMO the Glide is the best way to go.

Mine actually is a turd out of the hole with a best of 1.22 but we all know my convertor is all wrong for my combo. But boy does it work well on the stop


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$$$$, weight and strengh made me choose a glide, that and most any local trans shop can fix them for cheaper

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I have never bought into the weight arguement. Does not hold water plenty of heavy cars making brutal power run them. Looks at the heads up crowd plenty of 3000+ pound cars making well over 2000hp running them. My Valiant weighed 3470 ran 9.0's and the glide worked flawlessly.


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Thanks for all the info guys, look like the glide is going to be the choice. The glide that i'm thinking of getting has a 1.76 cut. so im in the game with this tranny.

Just going to have to work on the converter

You all should see the car this spring at one of the CC events, IM HOPING!!!! If not the Daytona will be thier for sure..

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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616217
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Nice car. I think you will like the glide. You will probably want a 1.80 straight cut gearset though. My 2850# Dart went 1.180 60' numerous times. My 2480# Firebird has gone 1.09 60' on motor and my dragster 1.03
The nice thing is you will have a huge selection of convertors to try. B&M makes a killer 8" that would work well with your combo...

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Nice car. I think you will like the glide. You will probably want a 1.80 straight cut gearset though. My 2850# Dart went 1.180 60' numerous times. My 2480# Firebird has gone 1.09 60' on motor and my dragster 1.03
The nice thing is you will have a huge selection of convertors to try. B&M makes a killer 8" that would work well with your combo...




Thanks

Got give the Fosters a shout out they have been helping me get it completed.. What stall would I need for the combo??? ..

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Nice car. I think you will like the glide. You will probably want a 1.80 straight cut gearset though. My 2850# Dart went 1.180 60' numerous times. My 2480# Firebird has gone 1.09 60' on motor and my dragster 1.03
The nice thing is you will have a huge selection of convertors to try. B&M makes a killer 8" that would work well with your combo...




Thanks

Got give the Fosters a shout out they have been helping me get it completed.. What stall would I need for the combo??? ..




I'd call ATI and get one made exactly to your combo. My ATI converter is some of the best money I have ever spent on the car.

Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: sixpakdodge] #616220
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i would run a glide before I would run anything from Rick Allison , but you can buy a good TF for half the price elsewhere .........

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My experience was that at a certain performance level the car got hard to hook. About 9.50 at 3000 lbs. Starting line torque combined with starting line ratio is what would decide for me.
A small block car is going to have a much easier time just due to having less torque. A bigblock that is stroked will really give you fits at some point around mid nines because it will have so much torque at the hit the tires just can't hold it. Or in my case it will pitch rotate violently and create problems when it hits the wheelie bars.
If you really like the three speed, them my suggestion would be to run a gear that will pull some torque out at the line, like dropping from a 4.56 down to a 4.10.
Or, if you are an adrenalin freak/test tune type just run it and have fun. Just be assured it won't be boring!


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Thanks for all the info guys, look like the glide is going to be the choice. The glide that i'm thinking of getting has a 1.76 cut. so im in the game with this tranny.

Just going to have to work on the converter

You all should see the car this spring at one of the CC events, IM HOPING!!!! If not the Daytona will be thier for sure..




I agree with the 1.80 gearset choice mentioned above and would recommend an ATI 8" Treemaster Vert

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So guys, is there no way to re-set the gear ratio in the 727. Now, I'm a newbie to this type of trans talk because all I know is TF but we just run mid 10's so are TF has been very consistent. But from the way most of you guys have said, it seems as though the problems are all with first gear being to tall. Is there no way to adjust the ratios to resolve this problem?


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Convertor selection is very important with the glide, with the right convertor the low gear difference isn't a big deal. I do think if you're going glide you should have a steel drive hub and a good input shaft.

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So guys, is there no way to re-set the gear ratio in the 727. Now, I'm a newbie to this type of trans talk because all I know is TF but we just run mid 10's so are TF has been very consistent. But from the way most of you guys have said, it seems as though the problems are all with first gear being to tall. Is there no way to adjust the ratios to resolve this problem?


A&A sells a 2.28 gear set. Expensive, and I don't know what power level they claim it is good for:

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in my opinion we should all put 9 inch ford rear ends. chevy transmissions and pontiac power plants and tell every one look at my mopar its cool get a grip people

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i grip the shifter and make 1 shift.

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Love my glide, works great
for me, MPH is great

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Whats the comparison?
Are your looking for consistency? At 2500 lbs I would be looking at a glide without question.




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in my opinion we should all put 9 inch ford rear ends. chevy transmissions and pontiac power plants and tell every one look at my mopar its cool get a grip people


Ha-ha.
I have Dana 60 from a Chrysler car, Chrysler TF727 transmission, and Chrysler BB power plant. It is cool.

But bracket racing allows modifications, and the PG works.


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Swithed from 727 to glide prior to last season. Trans has 1.98 first gear. Not calm out of the hole. Slightly more consistent. Don,t have a lot of runs, but great piece. Costs way more money than 727. I ran 727 for years. Glide reacts quicker on pro tree. I'm at 2750 lbs. If I had to do it over for the money I would stick with the 727.



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i guess everyone dont get the point? all im sayin is be proud and run things mopar that are available and work just as well. next we will be putting chevy hoods on our cars! ohh i forget there doing that too. when will it end? why try maybe its time to buy a camaro or mustang and put 440s in them

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why be so upset about it?run what you like and move on,i think it has something to do with our freedom,not real sure,as to why we do things.here this one still has a 727 in it.

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Can someone tell me how when I look at a picture of a car in a wheelie and how it translates to a fast leaving car? LOL .Heck when I ran my 70 Cuda with a small block in the 11's, it would pull the wheels a foot or so. Can't remember the exact 60' for that car, but it was no where near the 1.15 I run today. Pro stocks leave only a few inches in the air and most dragsters don't wheelie at all and the 60's for those are 1.09's or better.

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I better keep this post. I'm still hammering on my 904s (I got 2).I know that the 904 is the reason for inconsistant reaction times due to pulling the wheels out of the lights.The wheelies are fun but going home early isnt.If the traction is really the problem is worse.I'm sure I'll be looking at a change in the future.

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in my opinion we should all put 9 inch ford rear ends. chevy transmissions and pontiac power plants and tell every one look at my mopar its cool get a grip people



My transmission is an aftermarket purpose built race transmission in my Dodge Challenger. When you have to compete on the level that the bracket racers currently are; you best bring the most consistent piece possible.


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When you have to compete on the level that the bracket racers currently are; you best bring the most consistent piece possible.







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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: SCDaytona] #616240
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Well I guess looking into a Glide has a few upset at running GM parts in a Mopar.. But as I see it the more Consistant I am on the track and can run the ## every time will keeep the guy I line up with wondering If...

I will going sticking with the 727 for now. Because it didn't sell at the CC event show in Ohio. But If I sell it I will be going with the Glide set up for sure..

I wonder where the Material Is from to make most of the aftermarket parts in these Trannies..

I think we all have a little bit of others in our Mopars, even if it's a Tywrap hold the front end on..

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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car [Re: Super Scamp] #616241
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I think someone needs to tell Chip Horton (multi-time winner) to take his 727 out of his car since it is not consistent. LOL Granted he is not making the big power some of you are, but it's all about the chassis, suspension and a lot of the driver as well. Glides work well due to the starting line ratio and only having to shift one gear. But with the digital ignitions of today and a good working car, consistency is possible. Many cars out there with 3 speeds running consistent today. Don't be afraid to work on the suspension to get the car consistent and learning to drive the finish line as well.

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The Powerglide tames my car down a lot. It runs the same with a 1.76 Glide/4.10 combo as it did with the 727/4.56 combo. My car weighs about 2450 with me in it and has 46/54 weight bias.

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so if you don't have 4 1/2" bolt circle wheels you are running chevy wheels right!

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so if you don't have 4 1/2" bolt circle wheels you are running chevy wheels right!




I run Ford wheels...

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I am referring to guys like Scotty Richardson, Luke Bogacki, and Ricky Baehr who win darn near every footbrake and or no box race they enter. light car or heavy car you won't find a three speed in one of their cars unless its in stock or super stock and they are required to have them. You wanna line up with one of those boys you better be able to go dead on cause chances are slim you are gonna out drive them at the stripe.


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Hey Ben don't you have a pinto rac in your car??


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thanks for spreadin the news! i did not this til now its probably a ford stallion rack dont worry were calling mike edwards for a power plant for my dodge

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Same opinions every time this comes up.

And now here is mine (again): If you pull a 727 out and bolt in a PG, your results will vary depending on the low gear ratio, converter, and the torque curve of your engine. Most of the time, the rearend ratio will have to be changed to get equal or better results. Don't be surprized if your 1.76 PG runs .2 slower than your 727.

And on S/S and Comp, most of them who can have switched from PG to Turbo 350/904/Protrans.

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tell rick allison he has a slow car slow and haevy thats why he runs a 727. words that come out of mouths without validation wow

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Everyone has an opinion on the subject but what is a fact is that few three speeds are winning many big money bracket races.
Charlie is correct though that if you want to go faster 3 gears is the only way to go! Well to a point anyway. Top fuel is anomoly

Oh and I was talking no box cars above. Any mention of heavy hitters in the box classes must include the king of Mopar bracket racers Johnny Labbous Jr.

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tell that to Chris Weatcraft and his neon with a 604 and 3 speed trans.he has won enough money with that car to pay for it.granted he is a top shelf racer but he has put enough power glides on the trailer to prove that wrong.The same goes for a&a transmissions daytona 572 w/727 trans.You can't hardly swing a dead chicken with out hitting one of there 1 st place plaques.My power glide don't want any thing to do with either one of those guys three speeds.Let alone Ben Cantrells 3 speed challenger he has won so much money with that car that he don't haft to eat off the dollar menu anymore.He just pulls the old hey order a pizza you pick it up and I will pay and then do the "do you have change for a hundred" Way to go Ben my Kids diden't get to go to MC donalds that week.

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tell that to Chris Weatcraft and his neon with a 604 and 3 speed trans.he has won enough money with that car to pay for it.granted he is a top shelf racer but he has put enough power glides on the trailer to prove that wrong.The same goes for a&a transmissions daytona 572 w/727 trans.You can't hardly swing a dead chicken with out hitting one of there 1 st place plaques.My power glide don't want any thing to do with either one of those guys three speeds.Let alone Ben Cantrells 3 speed challenger he has won so much money with that car that he don't haft to eat off the dollar menu anymore.He just pulls the old hey order a pizza you pick it up and I will pay and then do the "do you have change for a hundred" Way to go Ben my Kids diden't get to go to MC donalds that week.




With all this iformation I'm getting on the 727 that is being installed in the Scamp project,I better put a big 500+++ inch motor in it to go as fast as Cantrell. So if Cantrell is running a 727 and big motor and leaving the line like a bucking bronco. Looks like the 4-link needs to be fixed .... I guess when I grow up and can run with the big boys then I get a Glide with training wheels.

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i guess everyone dont get the point? all im sayin is be proud and run things mopar that are available and work just as well. next we will be putting chevy hoods on our cars! ohh i forget there doing that too. when will it end? why try maybe its time to buy a camaro or mustang and put 440s in them




Im not trying to argue, just make a point, but thats why we choose certain parts..the whole idea, cause it will WORK better than the current setup.
Simply put go fast enough, or make X amount of power stock stuff doesnt cut it. Power Glide transmissions work plain and simple....in the correct application.
Would I use one in a 3700 lbs 8th mile bracket car making 600 hp? No way...
How about the same car with 1400HP Or with a 600hp engine that uses a 400hp plate system?
My rear engine dragster came to me with a 727 torqueflite...LOL..
How well would it have worked with the engine I ended up building for it?
Not near as well as the stock gear power glide I built for it.
When in doubt go back and re-read Gregsdart reply.

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Pictures of big wheelies DO NOT prove that a car is 60 footing well, you are correct...we just LIKE posting said pics of big wheelies whenever there is an excuse to do so!!!

For the record, I've NEVER converted a 727 car to a glide, I have, however bought 3 mopars that already had glides in them, and have been happy with their performance. The biggest difference IMO is that the convertors for a glide are vastly superior than anything available for a 727/904


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tell that to Chris Weatcraft and his neon with a 604 and 3 speed trans.he has won enough money with that car to pay for it.granted he is a top shelf racer but he has put enough power glides on the trailer to prove that wrong.The same goes for a&a transmissions daytona 572 w/727 trans.You can't hardly swing a dead chicken with out hitting one of there 1 st place plaques.My power glide don't want any thing to do with either one of those guys three speeds.Let alone Ben Cantrells 3 speed challenger he has won so much money with that car that he don't haft to eat off the dollar menu anymore.He just pulls the old hey order a pizza you pick it up and I will pay and then do the "do you have change for a hundred" Way to go Ben my Kids diden't get to go to MC donalds that week.



I am personal friends with Wheatcraft and me and him harrass each other all the time on this very subject. I love that car and Chris can get it done on the tree but bottom line is the fellas you mentioned are making their money at events whose names have Chrysler or Mopar somewhere in the name. Show me how many times the Jegs US Open has been won by a three speed car. Show me how many times in the past three years a Tenn Tuck race has been won by a three speed. I am sure there is at least one but its so uncommon and that is my point. The guy who started this post has a 2500 lb bracket car and the best choice for that car and its purpose like it or not is a glide. And my opinion is coming from a guy who has won more than one big money bracket race with a 3 speed. The glide is just the more logical choice


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If I am not mistaken his is based on a turbo 400. Its a purpose built race tranny not a 727 that came from Dodge or Plymouth in the 60's and 70's.


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tell that to Chris Weatcraft and his neon with a 604 and 3 speed trans.he has won enough money with that car to pay for it.granted he is a top shelf racer but he has put enough power glides on the trailer to prove that wrong.The same goes for a&a transmissions daytona 572 w/727 trans.You can't hardly swing a dead chicken with out hitting one of there 1 st place plaques.My power glide don't want any thing to do with either one of those guys three speeds.Let alone Ben Cantrells 3 speed challenger he has won so much money with that car that he don't haft to eat off the dollar menu anymore.He just pulls the old hey order a pizza you pick it up and I will pay and then do the "do you have change for a hundred" Way to go Ben my Kids diden't get to go to MC donalds that week.



I am personal friends with Wheatcraft and me and him harrass each other all the time on this very subject. I love that car and Chris can get it done on the tree but bottom line is the fellas you mentioned are making their money at events whose names have Chrysler or Mopar somewhere in the name. Show me how many times the Jegs US Open has been won by a three speed car. Show me how many times in the past three years a Tenn Tuck race has been won by a three speed. I am sure there is at least one but its so uncommon and that is my point. The guy who started this post has a 2500 lb bracket car and the best choice for that car and its purpose like it or not is a glide. And my opinion is coming from a guy who has won more than one big money bracket race with a 3 speed. The glide is just the more logical choice




I need to sell my 727 to get the glide that was mentioned earlyer s this post. The glide is the way to go as 98.8% of my racing team said for the weight and cubic inches the combo is correct for the car that will run the ## every time. . My Dads Daytona runs a Glide and that car runs the # every time, As I said the Car runs the # the driver is sometimes not or off the button in time...
To all those that have signed in on this post keep the pro's and con's on the two trannies going, I like everybodys view on this.

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this debate goes on and on. as a bracket racer i could care less what manufacture trans is in my car as long as it's in the staging lanes at the end of the day. it's tough enough running a chrysler anything. for what i've invested in running a chrysler i could build a number of serious chevy engines. yes i'm sure some people do win with three speed transmissions but the simple fact is that the glide wins more rounds of racing than all other transmissions combined...and i'm kinda partial about going to the next round

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I never said 727 all I said was 3 speed.It is a t 400. I really don't care about mixing other brand parts in my car to me what ever works the best and is the safest and is the most durable is what should be used.I have a glide and a 9 in in my dragster the only thing mopar about it is the block.the glide is lighter easier to work on less than 1/2 the money of a equal 727 you can change imput shafts from a glide to a t400 for more conver ter choices the list goes on an on why to go glide.It is personal preference a good driver can win in any car.Think what you want about Cantrells views on part choice but in the lanes STAY AWAY FROM HIM BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT NONE!!!!!
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shiot, I ain't skeeered!! I don't recall ever seeing those guys at the Florida Winter series?? Guess that is why they stick to the mopar only duck hunting events. You want hitters come on down, all the guys Eric mentioned and about 100 more. Better have your game on... but guess what, they put their pants on just like I do, one leg at a time.

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I can put my pants on both legs at one time so I am better than you and my dad can beat up your dad.
This web site is too much fun.
whats the purse at winter nationals? If the gas money verses the win money is wright we will be there.If not to win we will at least grill some fresh sail fish


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first off this is a topic about a door car not a fly swatter,guided missle or that long skinny thing you call a car? so next you see door car in the topic dont click! but when i come down to ohio you can make some fried fish,mushrooms or possibly some famous bruce steaks? your choice? either way my daddy can beat up your daddy and this you now know

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you forgot yard dart,pipe rack,engine on a stick,poor mans quick 32 car,adult go cart,wheel chair,tomato stake,and tennis racket.
BTW your rent is due for race car and trailer storage funny man
And another thing that pot belly pig "door car" you got is so fat that when you blew up that 500 in motor gravy pored out of the hole in the oil pan.

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