Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car
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All you experts out thier!!!! I need some assistance with a choice of running a 3 speed AA tranny or run a 2 speed glide.??? I plan on running a 727 Allison trans w/ brake in my Scamp that is built with the best parts money can buy.5000 stall convertor. running 500+ inch motor and 4:56 gear in my Plymouth Scamp, car weighs 2500 pounds. Now I have a chance to get my hands on a Glide w/ tranny w brake. My hang up is that a 2 speed is a slow dog out of the hole?? Will this hurt the ET. Any advice from those that switched..
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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car
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All you experts out thier!!!! I need some assistance with a choice of running a 3 speed AA tranny or run a 2 speed glide.???
I plan on running a 727 Allison trans w/ brake in my Scamp that is built with the best parts money can buy.5000 stall convertor. running 500+ inch motor and 4:56 gear in my Plymouth Scamp, car weighs 2500 pounds. Now I have a chance to get my hands on a Glide w/ tranny w brake. My hang up is that a 2 speed is a slow dog out of the hole?? Will this hurt the ET. Any advice from those that switched..
I have one sitting here but no converter for it yet so when you deiced... let me know... I have heard it calms the off line issues and should MPH better (if you get the right conv) which should cover up the off line slowness
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Whats the comparison? Are your looking for consistency? At 2500 lbs I would be looking at a glide without question.
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Made the switch from 904 to Glide towards the end of the year. Lost .04 in 60ft and another .02 in the 1/8th for a total loss of about .06 It calmed the launch down for sure but that was exactly what I was looking for. I also went to a spragless converter in the process as well.
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Oops forgot to mention that mine is 3000 lbs so the lighter the better with the glide. I am pretty happy with the switch. Mine has a 4.88 rear gear and 1.80 straight cut first.
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If you are a racer then a glide is a no brainer. Perhaps if you are more the test and tune type then maybe if you had the right motor I would say TF but it would have to be something that woudl benefit greatly from the increased startingline ration adn could use the third gear, read that as a combo with a narrow power band, not your typical BB Mopar. IMO the Glide is the best way to go. Mine actually is a turd out of the hole with a best of 1.22 but we all know my convertor is all wrong for my combo. But boy does it work well on the stop
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I have never bought into the weight arguement. Does not hold water plenty of heavy cars making brutal power run them. Looks at the heads up crowd plenty of 3000+ pound cars making well over 2000hp running them. My Valiant weighed 3470 ran 9.0's and the glide worked flawlessly.
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Thanks for all the info guys, look like the glide is going to be the choice. The glide that i'm thinking of getting has a 1.76 cut. so im in the game with this tranny. Just going to have to work on the converter You all should see the car this spring at one of the CC events, IM HOPING!!!! If not the Daytona will be thier for sure..
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Re: Glide VS. 727 in a 2500lb door car
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Nice car. I think you will like the glide. You will probably want a 1.80 straight cut gearset though. My 2850# Dart went 1.180 60' numerous times. My 2480# Firebird has gone 1.09 60' on motor and my dragster 1.03 The nice thing is you will have a huge selection of convertors to try. B&M makes a killer 8" that would work well with your combo...
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Got give the Fosters a shout out they have been helping me get it completed.. What stall would I need for the combo??? ..
I'd call ATI and get one made exactly to your combo. My ATI converter is some of the best money I have ever spent on the car.
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My experience was that at a certain performance level the car got hard to hook. About 9.50 at 3000 lbs. Starting line torque combined with starting line ratio is what would decide for me. A small block car is going to have a much easier time just due to having less torque. A bigblock that is stroked will really give you fits at some point around mid nines because it will have so much torque at the hit the tires just can't hold it. Or in my case it will pitch rotate violently and create problems when it hits the wheelie bars. If you really like the three speed, them my suggestion would be to run a gear that will pull some torque out at the line, like dropping from a 4.56 down to a 4.10. Or, if you are an adrenalin freak/test tune type just run it and have fun. Just be assured it won't be boring!
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Thanks for all the info guys, look like the glide is going to be the choice. The glide that i'm thinking of getting has a 1.76 cut. so im in the game with this tranny.
Just going to have to work on the converter
You all should see the car this spring at one of the CC events, IM HOPING!!!! If not the Daytona will be thier for sure..
I agree with the 1.80 gearset choice mentioned above and would recommend an ATI 8" Treemaster Vert
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So guys, is there no way to re-set the gear ratio in the 727. Now, I'm a newbie to this type of trans talk because all I know is TF but we just run mid 10's so are TF has been very consistent. But from the way most of you guys have said, it seems as though the problems are all with first gear being to tall. Is there no way to adjust the ratios to resolve this problem?
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So guys, is there no way to re-set the gear ratio in the 727. Now, I'm a newbie to this type of trans talk because all I know is TF but we just run mid 10's so are TF has been very consistent. But from the way most of you guys have said, it seems as though the problems are all with first gear being to tall. Is there no way to adjust the ratios to resolve this problem?
A&A sells a 2.28 gear set. Expensive, and I don't know what power level they claim it is good for:
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in my opinion we should all put 9 inch ford rear ends. chevy transmissions and pontiac power plants and tell every one look at my mopar its cool get a grip people
Ha-ha. I have Dana 60 from a Chrysler car, Chrysler TF727 transmission, and Chrysler BB power plant. It is cool.
But bracket racing allows modifications, and the PG works.
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Swithed from 727 to glide prior to last season. Trans has 1.98 first gear. Not calm out of the hole. Slightly more consistent. Don,t have a lot of runs, but great piece. Costs way more money than 727. I ran 727 for years. Glide reacts quicker on pro tree. I'm at 2750 lbs. If I had to do it over for the money I would stick with the 727.
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so if you don't have 4 1/2" bolt circle wheels you are running chevy wheels right!
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I am referring to guys like Scotty Richardson, Luke Bogacki, and Ricky Baehr who win darn near every footbrake and or no box race they enter. light car or heavy car you won't find a three speed in one of their cars unless its in stock or super stock and they are required to have them. You wanna line up with one of those boys you better be able to go dead on cause chances are slim you are gonna out drive them at the stripe.
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Everyone has an opinion on the subject but what is a fact is that few three speeds are winning many big money bracket races. Charlie is correct though that if you want to go faster 3 gears is the only way to go! Well to a point anyway. Top fuel is anomoly Oh and I was talking no box cars above. Any mention of heavy hitters in the box classes must include the king of Mopar bracket racers Johnny Labbous Jr.
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SCDaytona, Pictures of big wheelies DO NOT prove that a car is 60 footing well, you are correct...we just LIKE posting said pics of big wheelies whenever there is an excuse to do so!!!
For the record, I've NEVER converted a 727 car to a glide, I have, however bought 3 mopars that already had glides in them, and have been happy with their performance. The biggest difference IMO is that the convertors for a glide are vastly superior than anything available for a 727/904
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If I am not mistaken his is based on a turbo 400. Its a purpose built race tranny not a 727 that came from Dodge or Plymouth in the 60's and 70's.
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I never said 727 all I said was 3 speed.It is a t 400. I really don't care about mixing other brand parts in my car to me what ever works the best and is the safest and is the most durable is what should be used.I have a glide and a 9 in in my dragster the only thing mopar about it is the block.the glide is lighter easier to work on less than 1/2 the money of a equal 727 you can change imput shafts from a glide to a t400 for more conver ter choices the list goes on an on why to go glide.It is personal preference a good driver can win in any car.Think what you want about Cantrells views on part choice but in the lanes STAY AWAY FROM HIM BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT NONE!!!!! ALSO STAY AWAY WHEN YOU ARE ORDERING PIZZA BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT GET NONE!!!
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I can put my pants on both legs at one time so I am better than you and my dad can beat up your dad. This web site is too much fun. whats the purse at winter nationals? If the gas money verses the win money is wright we will be there.If not to win we will at least grill some fresh sail fish
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you forgot yard dart,pipe rack,engine on a stick,poor mans quick 32 car,adult go cart,wheel chair,tomato stake,and tennis racket. BTW your rent is due for race car and trailer storage funny man And another thing that pot belly pig "door car" you got is so fat that when you blew up that 500 in motor gravy pored out of the hole in the oil pan.
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