Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/20/08 08:57 PM
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I got this shiny new rebuilt ThermoQuad from a rebuilder who gets mentioned fairly commonly and has a nice website, offers lots of TQ services, etc, etc. CanNOT get it to idle and come off what passes for an idle. Once over the hump, the car runs like a scalded a** ape. I've been thinking vacuum leak, but can't find one with the rubber hose :stethoscope trick. Can't change the idle spraying carb cleaner around the carb base. I've tried resetting the idle bleeds everywhere from 1.5 to 3.0 turns off their seats, and all I get is a "hunting" idle, that gradually gets worse as the engine warms up. Then eventually it stalls. I did a search of the site, and found some folks who are actually running ThermoQuads, so I'm hoping that by way of a "welcome to the club" one of those folks might have a tip or two for me. I have several TQ reference materials, the Vaanth paper, and the 1974 Factory Service Manual, but There is something I am missing. Help, please! And THANKS!!!
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/20/08 09:25 PM
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Probably the fast idle cam is out of adjustment. I have an actual Chrysler Thermoquad service manual that is more in depth than most anything (1982). I will try to get it scanned and into a .pdf tonight, it is about 45 pages.
It could be numerous things all together, needing minor adjustments for each. I have found the t-bog to be a very finicky carb, but once set, very good.
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/20/08 10:05 PM
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I just printed out the '72 manual. I haven't had a chance to read it yet.
Maybe you have a whoppin big cam?
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/20/08 10:37 PM
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i don't see the proper gasket under that BAD BOY carb.
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/21/08 12:30 AM
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Contact your builder. If it's the same thermoquad guy I praise, I have no doubt he'll solve your problem and get you up and running like a champ. TQ's are great carbs once you get them dialed in.
Some of the dialing should be done on car though...
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/21/08 12:41 AM
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Far as base gasket setup goes I prefer to run the thick 3/16"-1/4" gasket sandwiched between the two thin gaskets. Good added insulation from heat soak and no vacuum leaks with this setup. Using a TQ carb is definitely a love/hate relationship. At the moment I'm in love with mine but that could change any time. Actually I've run one for about 4 years now and it runs great on my 340 combo. Bought the rebuilt carb off of Ebay and tweaked it for my combo with big squirters and secondary jets.
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/21/08 03:51 AM
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/21/08 08:22 AM
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On my TQ 1.5-3 turns out on the idle screws is nothing.
When you get it running, press down on the accel pump arm and let the spring shoot fuel without touching the throttle shaft.
If it runs better right after the shot, you should back out the idle screws more.
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/21/08 07:16 PM
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On my TQ 1.5-3 turns out on the idle screws is nothing.
When you get it running, press down on the accel pump arm and let the spring shoot fuel without touching the throttle shaft.
If it runs better right after the shot, you should back out the idle screws more.
Now, THAT's interesting.... some other comments I'd picked up were telling me that I might already be too far out / too rich. Thanks for another view, and your experience!
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/21/08 07:23 PM
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/21/08 07:32 PM
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So, what baseplate gasket are you using? How did the engine run before? You say its been sitting a 'couple of months' without use, was it actually a couple of months, or more like a year? I could think of a couple of internal issues that would cause hunting, but, you shouldn't have them on a 'fresh' carb. Along the lines of internal issues, what kind of gas are you using? Any additives? (thinking maybe a gasket was damaged by chemical reaction). TQ's aren't that hard once you get over the initial fear of the unknown. For that matter, how much experience do you have working on any carb?? Hope I haven't asked too many questions.
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/27/08 07:28 PM
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So, what baseplate gasket are you using?
How did the engine run before?
You say its been sitting a 'couple of months' without use, was it actually a couple of months, or more like a year?
I could think of a couple of internal issues that would cause hunting, but, you shouldn't have them on a 'fresh' carb.
Along the lines of internal issues, what kind of gas are you using? Any additives? (thinking maybe a gasket was damaged by chemical reaction).
TQ's aren't that hard once you get over the initial fear of the unknown.
For that matter, how much experience do you have working on any carb??
Hope I haven't asked too many questions.
I'll answer your questions in reverse order.
#4: Not much. I've swapped out and set idle mix and base idle on probably a half dozen "stock replacement carbs over thirty odd years. swapped out the TQuad on my '74 dodge motorhome's 440 for a rebuilt from a generic auto parts house about five years ago. Bolted it on, hooked up the hoses and drove it, but that's the only TQ I've ever laid tools on.
#3: regular 87 octane pump gas (Shell, I think) with no additives).
#2: From the date of my last emails to and from David, I got the carb right around Christmas last year, so call it five months on the shelf.
#1: The engine ran "OK" with the eddy 1406. No off idle stumble or flat spots. With the tranny kickdown linkage FUBAR, I hadn't pushed the car really hard, but a couple of times, for fear of damaging the tranny. With no kickdown functioning, acceleration was less than thrilling on the street, but "adequate" on the hiway.
The performance with the TQuad IS thrilling, once I get it past the bog. When the the engine starts to wind up, and the secondaries open wide, i LOVE the moan/howl! The kick in the pants when the tranny kicks down is a HOOT after three years of no such luck. Now if i could just get it to idle down, and come off idle like it comes on the secondaries I'd have a PERMANENT grin from ear to ear!
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/27/08 09:49 PM
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/27/08 10:05 PM
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A post back from the dead...... I'll chime back in tomorrow when I have more time. Too bad you're in South Austin instead of Houston.......
John
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Re: Thermo - BOG!!!
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05/28/08 12:03 AM
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...I've been thinking vacuum leak, but can't find one with the rubber hose :stethoscope trick.
Any chance you've got cracked/damaged vacuum line or intake leak? Have you put a vacuum gauge on it to see what the manifold vacuum is doing?
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Can't change the idle spraying carb cleaner around the carb base. I've tried resetting the idle bleeds everywhere from 1.5 to 3.0 turns off their seats, and all I get is a "hunting" idle, that gradually gets worse as the engine warms up. Then eventually it stalls.
Does adjusting the air/fuel screws change the idle at all?
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I did a search of the site, and found some folks who are actually running ThermoQuads, so I'm hoping that by way of a "welcome to the club" one of those folks might have a tip or two for me.
Welcome to the TQ club!
If you give the metering rod tree screw a 1/2 turn clockwise, does your idle improve?
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