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Sedan doors with the hardtop roof. Which car do they start with? Any build pictures? Thanks

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All of the 65 Dodge & Plymouth AWB cars built were originally 2-door hardtop models, but some independent racers did use 2-door sedan's. Chrysler sold the fiberglass parts over the counter to racers, the complete set cost $410 and weighed just 80 pounds supposedly.


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Post altered, pre-paint. Independent racer from Arkansas.

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In color no less. This is all I have on this car.

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I'm pretty sure the car above was originally a 65 Hemi RO Plymouth Belvedere 2-door sedan. I remember seeing a few photo's of this car before it was modified by the owner who turned it into a AWB car. I've seen a lot of old race cars that ended up this way, some were nicely done, and some were just bad hack jobs!


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As mentioned all the Mopar supplied cars were hardtops, the independents or shop done cars a lot of them were sedans for more structeral ridgity after they were converted.
As an example Sox and Martins Paper Tiger 1 is a hdtp , where as the Paper Tiger 2 is a shop done sedan

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Race&Resto, that was originally a '64 Max Wedge car. I don't have any pics of the original version saved here, but they are somewhere within the 62-65 website.


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I could have sworn it was a 65 Plymouth originally but maybe it was a 64 converted to 65 AWB, I'll have to look for those old photo's that I seen of it again. Anyway here are some more 65 altered wheel base articles on the parts used.

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If we are talking about Joe Ralph Thompson's AWB Plymouth, then yes it was a 1964 MW lightweight Savoy. The original owner was stationed at Ft. Benning in Georgia and drove it around the base from the information I have from Joe. I have the complete history of the car and all the owners of the car. Being a less known racer, it seemed to have survived getting too butchered over the years.

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It was a bracket racer around Little Rock in the mid-1980s. I bought it off a friend in 1996 and sent it down to Garlit's to keep the dust off it. Joe Ralph Thompson had three cars that he raced - two red Plymouths and Joe drove a white Dodge. I believe they were all 1964s (I'd have to check his letter). His other red Plymouth ran in B/G and won class at the US Nationals in 1968. Ron Cheshire drove that car. Ron ran SS/DA in a Camaro up until his wife got sick about 10 years ago. He ran a Hemi car before that, but switched after he used up the old Hemi's.

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Another shot when I picked it up. Notice the original "bubble" windshield. I understand there were two different versions made. One of the guys that drove that car said it was an evil handling SOB. I imagine it has a ton of bump steer with the straight axle and stock sterring box. I sent it to Don in lieu of tearing it up. Hemi Fred says I should race it, but I'd hate to put it up on the guard rail or something worse.

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All of the 65 Dodge & Plymouth AWB cars built were originally 2-door hardtop models, but some independent racers did use 2-door sedan's. Chrysler sold the fiberglass parts over the counter to racers, the complete set cost $410 and weighed just 80 pounds supposedly.






Bill Flynn's Yankee Peddler was the only factory sedan AWB car built.Built at Dick Branster's instead of Amblewagon.


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The car was featured in Chrysler Power back in the early 1990s. They got a lot of the information wrong in the article. Here's a nice shot of the 1964 racing a Comet. I believe this is Carlisle, AR, right off I-30. I think it has reverted back to an airport.

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Bill Flynn's Yankee Peddler was the only factory sedan AWB car built. Built at Dick Branster's instead of Amblewagon.



Yes I should have been more clear about that earlier, and the magazine's including everyone that reads them say that it was the only factory backed 65 AWB sedan built, even though there were several 65 Hemi AWB sedan's built by privateer's. But it would be interesting if another one pops up out of the blue in the future and claims it had factory support as well?





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I also find it odd that some people didn't seem to think that Sox & Martin's second car the 65 Plymouth AWB sedan/Paper Tiger II didn't have any factory support because it was built later on in the season and wasn't one of the original factory AFX AWB cars. Sox & Martin were still one of Plymouth's top race team's so they must have had factory support to build this AFX sedan just like the 65 Yankee Peddler did.

Notice in the first photo that the front wheels weren't moved forward yet on the 65 Plymouth Sedan Paper Tiger II. Apparently Sox & Martin sent the car to Dick Branister to get the front end work done, as they did the rear wheel modification's at their shop. The second photo is the original 65 Plymouth A/FX hardtop/Paper Tiger I.




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S&M as a team was factory-supported. The original cars were part of the factory deal. Factory racers received parts, engines, and in the case of the Melrose Missile, a body. (The Missile was converted in CA from a 2% HT - 1 of 4 such '65s). Factory racers would have a contract that would spell out whether they were supplied street cars, as apparently S&M was, and apparently there were differences even among the factory racers, an example of which is their tow rigs. Privateer teams might receive some support from a dealership, or maybe some "back-door" parts, but were not on the same level of support as the guys with the original 10 AWB cars.
As far as claims of support or construction for any "newly discovered" cars, the original cars are known & accounted for, so any other claims would need to be supported by some VERY convincing paperwork, which I would bet doesn't exist.

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Anyone know if the Roger Lindamood - color me gone / MR Norm 1965 Dodge hdtp ever found? Last I heard it fell off the map after MRNorm's ownership

excellant thread so far and huge props for all the information.
I've always been a big fan of the early superstock/AFX cars and there history/evolution

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S&M as a team was factory-supported. The original cars were part of the factory deal. Factory racers received parts, engines, and in the case of the Melrose Missile, a body. (The Missile was converted in CA from a 2% HT - 1 of 4 such '65s). Factory racers would have a contract that would spell out whether they were supplied street cars, as apparently S&M was, and apparently there were differences even among the factory racers, an example of which is their tow rigs. Privateer teams might receive some support from a dealership, or maybe some "back-door" parts, but were not on the same level of support as the guys with the original 10 AWB cars.
As far as claims of support or construction for any "newly discovered" cars, the original cars are known & accounted for, so any other claims would need to be supported by some VERY convincing paperwork, which I would bet doesn't exist.






The Sox and Martin sedan was not a street car.It was an A-990 Super Stock car converted as was mentioned

Most of the cars converted used the kit that was available from Chrysler.Complete with full size blueprints for the conversion.

There are no other "factory cars" out there.All are well documented.Many others as you know were converted SS cars.(eg: Firebrewed,Kentucky Colonel,El Toro etc.)

The Melrose 65 car was not the 64 2% car


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I didn't say it was a street car; what I said is that for some factory racers, a street car was provided.
The Missile was originally a 2% '65 HT, one of 4 built, and I did not refer to it as a '64 car. You need to actually read my post.
A couple of the original AWB guys are friends of mine, and I've seen their documentation & photos.

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The 2% cars were 64 cars. I read your post carefully.yes some cars were modified street cars.

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