So who's to say that someone who worked for Chrysler at the time on the assembly line decided to order & build this car for themselves? Just the same way those other 4 Hemi mule cars were converted, because it's in the same "time frame" that those cars were built.

There's something about the car. There's no telling here whether anyone really knows what it started as, or if it's evolution has been lost.
I think that based on timelines and such it just might hold some secrets.

My post on page 5 spoke about the Ramchargers car as reported by Ray Brock of HRM.The picture clearly shows NO Hemi mods to that car and shows that the 1st of the 2% cars was a Maxi car.Other than the Hemi engine (w/carters in the pic),the ign box wiring and the wheelbase change they were not converted.That is my point.It is accepted as the first Hemi car by most people.

I just received my DD book today.I have just quickly scanned it.If I read it correctly it shows no lightweight 2dr HT Belvedere's and no 4spd's.

Sorry that is incorrect.

On the subject of dealers and exec's having pull it is 100% true esp in those days.Anything was possible after the parts were available.The stories are almost unbelievable but many times have been found to be true.Do I believe that the records are even correct? Yes but not 100%. I would like to check my old cars against the records and see if they completely jive with what I know about them.

No question about that, until something shows up that is concrete, we only have a theory. And right now, at least for me, I have bigger questions. That car could possibly or not hold an answer. Time will tell.

Rico,
One thing is stuck in my mind. I wonder if they were a phantom. To built those cars late was bad business.
Once the cards were punched out can it be varified they were all built and shipped all over the country?
With the 65 model year in the planning phase I find it unlikely that much effort was spent filling this run.
I don't know if the known cars are sprinkled all through the so# (vin?) range, or not.
One thing for sure is there are not many around today and I find it very unlikely that they all went to the tracks and were wasted.

with most of the people gone that were involved we may never know the complete story.

What I can see on the Plymouth side (since I don't have any dodge stuff) is that the so# are scattered all over as well as production dates and dealership codes. WHich makes me think that because of the even numbers, Chrysler could have sent one of the cars to assorted dealers around the US and it would not hurt anyone. And then Chrysler has and can say that the Hemi is a production car for NASCAR. No dealer as I see it got 2 cars. Why is that? You would think that someone would go hey, we got a hot car here and order more than one. That goes back to my theory that they were just made to apease NASCAR and a production count so that the Hemis could run in the races. Otherwise if Chrysler didn't produce the 180 cars (total dodge and Plymouth) then maybe they couldn't run in NASCAR.

Let's not forget the NHRA.If you recall they made Ford build 50(or less lol)T-bolts just a year earlier.That might have been in play here.

That is my thinking. Did they actually build them?
Was it a paper trail smoke screen?
To me it seems likely the earliest ones (feb to may) were converted mw and then some of the production run cars were built and went to dealers or racers.
I base this on the re-tooling required late in the production year, the desire for the hemi to be raced (and nothing more than my convoluted thoughts).
Some pics on this Link, all known cars?

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Anything you have on these cars would be appreciated. I will be "play nice" I promise.........

Not to start anything but it is well known that Ford played with the numbers on the T-bolts. Double counting the same cars in some cases.

My original post was not to verify the car here that everyone is questioning it was to state the facts as I knew them.The 2 dr Ht Belv I spoke of was returned from a Nascar team and sold as new at a Chrysler dealer (even with slight mods).It was late in the year after the Nascar ban.If 1 car was returned I am sure there were more.

That would at least bring in to play the idea that during the year cars that were wrecked were replaced.No Nascar teams ran sedans only hardtops. Cars built in June would be ready for the second half of the Nascar season.Perhaps Nascar wanted some HT cars built.

One more point.At that time the Nichols team controlled the distribution of Nascar parts and likely cars.That would be the reason cars were not shipped to the south in larger numbers.

When the Ronzello car surfaced I was sure it was the same car I spoke of but it is not.A similar story and a similar looking car but not the same car.

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Based on the dip in the center of the scoop I'd guess it's a glass scoop?

I would attribute the sway backed hood scoop to shoddy metal work. I see a lot of restored scoops turning out that way. I have the original magazine article of the Mayflower '64 hemi sedan and you can clearly see that the hood scoop was all jacked up in the center trying to gain a little more air. That is the legitimate car.

Quicksilver. I am not bagging on the car or calling it a fake, just observing. I have seen and studied ALLOT of original 64-67 hood scoops because I used to sell metal replicas. Most I've seen that looked like that one turned out to be fiberglass, but originals being thin/fragile aluminum, it's certainly possible that the center sway on that one was caused by heavy hands. In fact I have mint original aluminum scoop hanging here next to me on the shop wall to compare it to.