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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: Race&Resto] #595508
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I think someone was trying to make these give-a-way cars, HEMI cars. They are there at the event in mid-February of '64. There were NO HEMI drag cars at this point (maybe a test mule or two, but none of the production cars) let alone street cars to give to the top Mercury driver. From what I hear the DAYTONA 500 (same month - ran 2/23/64) was the big prize and getting enough engines and parts to Florida was a priority. The Daytona 500 is rumored to be the reason that a HEMI never made it into the Charger I show car. All the press and promotion for the car said it had one, but I don't think there is any evidence that it actually ever had a HEMI.

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Here's another pic of the Dodge tow vehicle & Ford "give-a-way" cars.

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Here's a good article on the Hemi's debut in Nascar, (about half way down).

http://www.allpar.com/racing/petty-plymouth-racing.html

I was wondering if anyone here knew someone that actually went to the 64 Daytona 500 race!

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Ronnie was the one saying he won a Hemi Dodge, but there's no reference to when he said it. Who knows if he even saw a car?

Gotta get some sleep... and find another form of entertainment.




I just wanna thank you guys for staying up all night and debating this!! I really have enjoyed reading it all while havin a few cups of coffee!
I plan on posting a pic of my dads '64 Dodge Hemi (post) just to try to ad to the mix.....

Thanks guys!

Wally.

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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: PLATINUM6BBL] #595514
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Good find on some racing from Detroit dragways, it shows two 64 Hemi sedan's with dates of March 7 & June 6 printed on the flyers, (time-line) at the bottom of this link.

http://www.waterwinterwonderland.com/drags.asp?id=1335&type=6

Does anyone here got any old National Dragsters or Drag News issues from 1964, those newspapers would have dates, photo's & specific info in them. (lots on ebay I guess)

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Oh, and can you shoot me a picture of the passenger side inner fender ( top and inside view ) from the shock tower to the firewall?




Dave, I figure this is what you are looking for. No its not operational but it is there.

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Here's a 64 hemi hardtop at the WPC museum. Just took this photo last weekend. What's the story on this one? Listed as an A-864 package on loan from the Ronzello family. I assume since it's in the museum it must be an authentic car.


Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: SSDA5006] #595517
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I assume since it's in the museum it must be an authentic car.





I would never suggest making that assumption

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: SSDA5006] #595518
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Here's a 64 hemi hardtop at the WPC museum. Just took this photo last weekend. What's the story on this one? Listed as an A-864 package on loan from the Ronzello family. I assume since it's in the museum it must be an authentic car.






Nice looking car, I wish they had to hood up to show off the motor....should'nt it have the hemi hood scoops?

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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: FC7cuda] #595519
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That looks like Ralph Ronzelloes stock car. The stock cars ddn't use the hood scoop option. I took these engine photos a few years ago when it was at the Mopar Museum.

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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: 6bblgt] #595521
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Learning while I reading whith my coffee this morning (I stayed up til 1 reading this and Engel's 'complete book of stock-bodied drag racing).
What I surmise is in early 64 only mw stIII were available to the thinned heard of ss racers as many moved up to afx cars.
The hemi came out in february 64.
Rhonda and Leal chased the Hot Rod series and Rhonda ultimately was the points leader and won a Barracuda.
As the 64 season wore on lightweight hemi mopars turned the tide on the thunderbolts.
A speculative question here: What happened in the void of the approval of hemis for racing and the production of factory hemi cars?
My guess is that chrysler did not have a line-up of cars in the back lot, but did have crated motors available to quickly retrofit into the existing fleet already in the racers hands.
I don't have any of DD's books, are the production dates of the earliest 64 hemis available?
Were the earliest race hemis sold only with a bill of sale (not for street use?).
P>S> In the book i refrenced above ramchargers 980 car is pictured as well as mayflower V, both sedans.

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Unless I'm reading the DD book incorrectly, the first shipment date I saw was May 19.

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: 426Savoy] #595523
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May 19, 64? That would leave about a 3 month lapse between approval of hemis and first production.
The book I referenced identifies the mayflower V as a lightweight aluminum hemi.
Can anyone verify when he recieved it, and dates it was campaigned.

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #595524
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I assume since it's in the museum it must be an authentic car.





I would never suggest making that assumption




A lot of questionable things in the Chrysler Museum.

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: QuickSilver] #595525
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another:








Clone made from Petty parts and pieces acquired many years later.


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Good find on some racing from Detroit dragways, it shows two 64 Hemi sedan's with dates of March 7 & June 6 printed on the flyers, (time-line) at the bottom of this link.

http://www.waterwinterwonderland.com/drags.asp?id=1335&type=6

Does anyone here got any old National Dragsters or Drag News issues from 1964, those newspapers would have dates, photo's & specific info in them. (lots on ebay I guess)




The Sunday March 7th flyer would be 1965. I've got early & late '60s Nat'l Dragster, but none from the summer of '64.

The Saturday July 4th "new '64-1/2 HEMI" is 1964.

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: mike s] #595527
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Clone made from Petty parts and pieces acquired many years later.




It appears to have a BS made up story (history), but does it have a HEMI '64 hardtop VIN#?

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