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Many guys have researched these cars and are unwilling to share what they know because they've spent years acquiring the proprietary information or tracking down the original drivers/cars. It doesn't mean that no one out there knows the answers. Open source info via TSB and books ( D.D's, DRFS, etc. ) are another story.

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What could be "proprietary" about any of this? What would anyone have to gain by not sharing info about these cars? I don't see anyone trying to locate any of these cars with some type of financial gain in mind?

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As far as Galen, Daryl, or anyone elses business, I can't comment. As far as the question you pointed at me, no, I don't authenticate cars for free, that's a service I offer as part of my business and for the record is more involving than a simple sharing of information public or otherwise. On the other hand I quite commonly share information and details for free here on Moparts and on the phone (no credit card required), in many cases this information is not public or commonly known, so what? It's not always about money or profit (IMO anyway) I suppose some think it would be better to hoard info they might have until they die off and the history dies with them?

Anyway, I'm not attempting to confront anyone here, just curious why everyone is so tight lipped about sharing some history? I really don't see how answering any of the questions posted so far would cause anyone to lose potential profits? If I missed something please feel free to let me know?

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Scott, You didn't know? Thats part of the mopar heritage. You know, when you own it, its nothing but when i have it, it's gold. I find it pretty sad when you have what could be THE FIRST HEMICAR EVER BUILT (yeah i said it) and everyones tight lipped because they are overwhelmed by there ego's It's ok i know what it is, I don't need some J,O, to tell me

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I also spoke with Darrell Davis this morning and he didn't have much info other then what has been collected here already. He did say it should be an interesting story though

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prochargedhemi, I'm sure Darrell Davis has a wealth of information that he's found by going through Chrysler's old records and writing some books on it, but it looks like he couldn't answer your question either?

Although you did get some information on you dads 64 Plymouth hardtop by sending in your VIN info and getting an IBM card from Chrysler, and found out the build & shipping date and got some other specific info from DD. I sure hope you find out more info on that early mystery car of yours.

And yes we all know of people out there that hoard their info & facts that they've found themselves over the years. But I guess that's their right if they don't want to share or help out. Well that's fine with me because I've been through all that BS before with people like that, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Yes we all know about the first four 2% cars that were built and their race heritage because they were the first Hemi mule cars built, but what were their build & shipping dates? I would really like to know that info myself as well, anyone?

Yes we've all seen the black & white photo the front-end shot of the 64 Hemi Dodge sedan with the two guys from the factory standing beside it, but I wouldn't mind seeing some other factory photo's.

Yes the 64 Hemi production figures state there were 110 sedan's built, (55 Dodges, and 55 Plymouths). Along with the 70 hardtops built, (35 Dodge's and 35 Plymouth's), for a grand total of 180 units built, (supposedly).

The earliest build & shipping dates that I've read about was from the owner of the Landy 64 Hemi sedan, with a scheduled production date of May 21/64 and shipping date of May 27/64. He goes onto say that all of the surviving or remaining 64 Hemi sedan's have higher build & shipping dates. But I guess that's up for debate as well.

I would be interested myself in helping you find out more info about the early Hemi cars too. I did do some research myself over 20 years ago on these early Hemi cars, but sometimes life has different plans for you. Well after a long hiatus, the interest in these old Hemi cars is back! So this is what I would like to find out:

What was "the exact date" the last max-wedge motor was installed into a car from the factory?

And what was "the exact date" of the first production 426 Hemi motor installed into a car from the factory?

So any other info & help would be appreciated!

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As far as Galen, Daryl, or anyone elses business, I can't comment. As far as the question you pointed at me, no, I don't authenticate cars for free, that's a service I offer as part of my business and for the record is more involving than a simple sharing of information, public or otherwise. On the other hand I quite commonly share information and details for free here on Moparts and on the phone (no credit card required), in many cases this information is not public or commonly known, so what? It's not always about money or profit (IMO anyway) I suppose some think it would be better to hoard info they might have until they die off and the history dies with them?

Anyway, I'm not attempting to confront anyone here, just curious why everyone is so tight lipped about sharing some history? I really don't see how answering any of the questions posted so far would cause anyone to lose potential profits? If I missed something please feel free to let me know?

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Scott, I gotta agree with you. I have called you and you were very upfront with me about that WO car here in California. You gave me great information and didn't charge me a dime and I respect and appreciate that. Greg Lane was an unbelievable source of information to me and also provided help in locating correct parts. I have talked to him much about these cars and you know, he would just talk for hours and the wealth of information he gave, just because he loved them, and wanted to share it. Darrell Davis I have talked to as well and he was very much the same. I don't mind paying for any of that stuff, because I know it does have value to the right people. But share it, if you have some top secret documentation about an individual car, well then go ahead and charge, no problem with that. I would gladly pay for any info on the history of my individual car, that could be documented. Give us some idea that you have that knowledge. But general stuff, like, why the cars were built, were they raced? were they just max-wedge replacements? In my opinion should be shared. Why hoard that information? Get it out there before all the guys that are in the "know" about these cars die- off. Is there any harm in that?

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You have to remember as well that the Hemi's had the inverted shock towers where the Max Wedges did not, so they could not be "leftover Max Wedge" bodies. This wouldn't even be possible if you think about it. The cars came down the line with every other Slant 6, 318, 361 and etc. They were not sequentially tagged.

The only reason I could see these cars being built is to sway Nascar, since the teams were running hardtops in '64.

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Maybe I wasn't clear enough when I said these cars were left over max-wedge bodies, perhaps I should have said they were "max-wedge ordered cars". The reason I said this is because it is a known fact that some customers that had placed a order for a new max-wedge car, but they received a new Race Hemi instead! So technically wouldn't that now mean that the max-wedge ordered cars were now modified with the shock towers, hemi hood scoops, etc. Does that make any more sense now?

There may be something to your other point though, does anyone out there know if the 64 Nascar rules said anything on the total number of cars needed to be build before you were allowed to race, (just like the 69-70 wing car rule.)

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I believe the first part of your statement is true if I'm understanding the story of the Ferguson car. He ordered a Max Wedge and they built him an early hemi car. He drove it home from the factory.

Regarding Nascar rules on production, I believe that refers to models and not specific engines in those models...so the 64 hardtops are eligible for Nascar.

Enjoy the thread, some of the 2000 hits are mine...

Tom