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1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 09:53 AM
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Who can tell me about the 1964 Hemi hardtops? Jim Schild's book Maximum Performance says that as many as 12 Dodges and 12 Plymouths were made, all on one day in June 1964. I only know about one- the Dodge 440 hardtop that used to be in the Otis Chandler collection. Anybody have pictures of others?
Did the hardtops have the two headlight grilles like the sedans?
Just curious in general about the differences between the 1964 Hemi hardtops and sedans.
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 11:15 AM
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I think there was about 35 Plymouths.Dodges less.Lots of them lost to Nascar Racing.Wasn't there a couple at the Hemi-reunion?
Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 12:04 PM
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I have got one, if you want to see pictures (since I don't post very well) is go to Car craft mag and Look up Rico Petrini and 1964 Superstock Hemi Belvedere. That will give you some information on the cars. Better yet google Greg Lane and His Max wedge/Hemi pages. Greg and Darrell Davis are the guys to talk to about those cars. As far as numbers go There were 55 Dodge 330 (lightweight front end cars) 35 Dodge 440 (all steel cars) with the Hemis. As far as Plymouth, there were 55 Savoys (light weights) and 35 (all steel) Belvederes made. Not many of either Dodges or Plymouths left. Lightweight cars had an aluminum front end, no backseat, A-100 van seats, single exhaust (from factory) single headlight grill and were post cars. The hardtops were pretty much as you would see a typical 6-cylinder car on the street. Pretty slim in the creature comforts. They had two headlights, full interior, radio heater delete, and just a few lightweight pieces on them. Both versions had the Battery in the trunk for weight distribution. There is still debate on the A-864 A-990 programs. Some say they were all A-864 and I have since service bulletins that refer to the 64' cars as A-864. Some say A-990, I can't tell you who is right. Greg Lane is a wealth of information on those cars. Check him out. 
64 S/S Hemi Plymouth, 1963 4-Door (13.5-1) Max Wedge Savoy, 69-440 Dart 10.20 et 132 mph on the footbrake, 2012 Dodge Ram 2500 turbo diesel, 69-440-6 Roadrunner, 05 Hemi Magnum, 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 P/u, 2005 Viper, 98' Town & Country.
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 12:34 PM
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My Darrell Davis book doesn't have the dealer codes in it. I do have a copy of the Chrysler IBM card though. It says mine went to University Motors out of Chicago. I can't imagine a racer going to Chicago. You would think it would have gone to the South, where most of them were out of. I agree with you that not all of them were racers. 
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 12:41 PM
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I think there was about 35 Plymouths.Dodges less.Lots of them lost to Nascar Racing.Wasn't there a couple at the Hemi-reunion?
Mike, I'm really skeptical that most went to NASCAR. I assume you've seen the old historical blueprints/build info for the race cars. With the amount of modifications done to these cars, I can't imagine Chrysler sending race teams anything other than rollers to chop to hell. Reed would absolutely know more on this.
My understanding is that in '64 as they were just getting started with Mopars, Nichels Engineering tore down complete cars to convert for NASCAR, etc. How many? I don't know. But Nichels himself relayed this story before he passed. Whether they were Hemi cars, I can't say either. Those 1964 cars were modified pretty good, but not to the extent of the late 60's stuff.
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 12:43 PM
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64 S/S Hemi Plymouth, 1963 4-Door (13.5-1) Max Wedge Savoy, 69-440 Dart 10.20 et 132 mph on the footbrake, 2012 Dodge Ram 2500 turbo diesel, 69-440-6 Roadrunner, 05 Hemi Magnum, 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 P/u, 2005 Viper, 98' Town & Country.
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 12:54 PM
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Is that a sedan that is in Floyd Garret's collection?
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 12:55 PM
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I think there was about 35 Plymouths.Dodges less.Lots of them lost to Nascar Racing.Wasn't there a couple at the Hemi-reunion?
Mike, I'm really skeptical that most went to NASCAR. I assume you've seen the old historical blueprints/build info for the race cars. With the amount of modifications done to these cars, I can't imagine Chrysler sending race teams anything other than rollers to chop to hell. Reed would absolutely know more on this.
For those of you who have DD's book in front you, are the dealer codes given for the 70 cars? If so, how many different dealer codes are there? Is there any one dealer that received multiple cars? Anybody have access to dealer code locations?
What I'm getting at is this, if the dealers are spread across the country, instead of concentrated near the racer's shops, it would be hard to argue that all the cars went to racers.
I should have said some went to Nascar.Many cars were wrecked and some were fixed but many were replaced.I think most of the mods were done by the teams and remember they did not have any Hemi stuff at first so it would make sense to ship complete cars.The cars were not heavily modified in those days.I know of one or two that actually was sent back unused and sold in Detroit at a dealer.It was a drag car,they were converting it to Nascar but stopped late in the year due to the problems with rulings concerning the Hemi.Sitting right there in the front row.
Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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01/27/10 01:23 PM
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No, mine doesn't show any dealer codes for either of the Dodges or Plymouths. I wish it did, which might shed some light on the cars themselves.
64 S/S Hemi Plymouth, 1963 4-Door (13.5-1) Max Wedge Savoy, 69-440 Dart 10.20 et 132 mph on the footbrake, 2012 Dodge Ram 2500 turbo diesel, 69-440-6 Roadrunner, 05 Hemi Magnum, 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 P/u, 2005 Viper, 98' Town & Country.
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