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Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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That's all the proof I can come up with right now. Who can add any sheets from April '69 & later?
Dan I'll look at my 69 Dart 383 sheet tonight , late may build .
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Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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'70 roadrunner convertible 383/4speed, 8/1969 build date Edelbrock aluminum intake with.....a HOLLEY.
So, now do we throw away the book (again?) No A/C car for sure...and that's what came with the car. Early production with left over '69 parts? It's just too weird.
I'm surprised no one caught this ....
Did you take delivery of this car when it was NEW ??? There wasn't a 383 that rolled off the assembly line with an Edlebrock aluminum intake.
I'd like to see pictures of the choke pull off side of these holley carbs that were put on 69 mopars because an aftermarket holley vacuum secondary carb will not fit on a 68/69 383 or 440 intake without at least a 1/2" carb spacer , or at minimum the 3/8" fiber gasket, because the choke well is flush with the carb mounting surface.
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Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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I am kicking this one back into the light for a couple reasons... to show an interesting buildsheet remnant for a '69 383, 4 speed car with A/C and to try and find out what carb I should be running on my car.
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An 897 assembly (69 B body with four speed and A/C) carries a 98 carb code. The 45 choke code indicates an AVS.
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Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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'70 roadrunner convertible 383/4speed, 8/1969 build date Edelbrock aluminum intake with.....a HOLLEY.
So, now do we throw away the book (again?) No A/C car for sure...and that's what came with the car. Early production with left over '69 parts? It's just too weird.
I'm surprised no one caught this ....
Did you take delivery of this car when it was NEW ??? There wasn't a 383 that rolled off the assembly line with an Edlebrock aluminum intake.
 on the intake but 70 carb applications are COMPLETELY different than 69. It very well could have been the original carb.
Doug I wasn't questioning the carb here , just his intake claim .
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Re: 69 383 HP some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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Was this a running change (spring '69) away from Holley on the non-performance applications.
Dan, this is very possible as TSB D-14-1 addresses the 2946538 as well as D-14-6.
Your friend indeed- Hamtramck Historical archives- 69 Dodge TSBs
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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This was discussed recently on another forum, and in general terms, I came to the conclusion that the criteria for the factory installation of a Holley carb on a 69 383 Road Runner (possibly Super Bee & Charger as well) was the cruise control option - which although rare, was indeed available. A/C did not seem to be a factor, as many A/C units were built with the AVS. 6bblgt: Are any of those Holley-equipped sheets you posted coded for N88 "AUTO SPEED CONTROL"? Very curious on this..... 
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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This was discussed recently on another forum, and in general terms, I came to the conclusion that the criteria for the factory installation of a Holley carb on a 69 383 Road Runner (possibly Super Bee & Charger as well) was the cruise control option - which although rare, was indeed available. A/C did not seem to be a factor, as many A/C units were built with the AVS.
There were two main factors that determined how the engine was assembled: A/C and transmission. This would dictate which carb the car recieved. Application also played a part. Speed control could be adapted to any automatic car.
The 897 (manual) and 899 (automatic) engine assembly A/C cars, with the exception of the odd one Dan posted, were 330 horse versions with Holleys. These assemblies could come in any 69 B body. The evidence indicates there was a change to an AVS on this assembly at some point but further research would have to be done to determine when there was a switch from a Holley to an AVS and how long the 899 engine cars came with an AVS.
The 925 (manual) and 926 (automatic) 383-HP 335 horse applications (found in non A/C Road Runners, Super Bees and non A/C four speed Chargers, Belvederes and Coronets) came with AVS carbs.
The 900 assembly (330 horse automatic no A/C) that came in Chargers, Belvederes and Coronets came with Holleys.
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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....There were two main factors that determined how the engine was assembled: A/C and transmission. This would dictate which carb the car recieved. Application also played a part. Speed control could be adapted to any automatic car....
Thanks for your input. Yes it could have been adapted, but was cruise control ever factory installed with an AVS? If you have any evidence of N88 installed on an AVS-equipped RM or WM, please share! I would also like to see the "N" row of the Holley sheets that 6bblgt posted.....
BTW, thanks 3bird for posting this info again!
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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My '70 N96 auto 383 Bee had a Holley. I think those carbs were 435cfm?
I tossed it and swapped on a 625AFB and a Holley SD intake. More UUUMPH! And more MPG's!
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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My '70 N96 auto 383 Bee had a Holley. I think those carbs were 435cfm?
I tossed it and swapped on a 625AFB and a Holley SD intake. More UUUMPH! And more MPG's!
I'm going to ask the really STUPID question ....
What does info about anything other than what carb came on a 1969 383 with a 4 bbl carb have to do with the question asked?
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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My '70 N96 auto 383 Bee had a Holley. I think those carbs were 435cfm?
I tossed it and swapped on a 625AFB and a Holley SD intake. More UUUMPH! And more MPG's!
I'm going to ask the really STUPID question ....
What does info about anything other than what carb came on a 1969 383 with a 4 bbl carb have to do with the question asked?
Beats thew farkle out of me John! 
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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3birds1x , do you have a picture of that holley carb on the choke side ?
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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Thanks for your input. Yes it could have been adapted, but was cruise control ever factory installed with an AVS? If it was not, then the option would not have been available on GTXs, Coronet R/Ts, or Charger R/Ts.
If you have any evidence of N88 installed on an AVS-equipped RM or WM, please share!
Just so you know what you are asking for....
according to the O&A reports, there were around 8 WM21s, 18 WM23s, 32 RM21's, 83 RM23s and 15 RM27s that came with N88 auto pilot. Obviously not a popular option on the *M cars. This gives us about 160 cars even produced to start with.
Next, you must take into account the cars with N88 and H51. We know they exist as one was shown above and we know the H51 cars came with a Holley. What we cannot know is how many cars came with N88 and H51. The O&A reports don't work that way. Maybe all of the N88 cars came with H51 and maybe only one did.
Based on factory info, we do not know if there were any 925 engine (AVS) N88 cars produced.
So unless someone does happen to have a BS from that specific combination, you must consider that what you are asking for didn't even exist.
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Re: 69 383 H code some w holley carb some carter AVS why?
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I checked the b'casts I posted partials above & none are N88 - "automatic speed control" cars. My brother owned a (12/68) '69 Charger SE 383 4bbl auto A/C sunroof power windows cruise etc. (C12 XP29 A47 E63 D32 H51 928077 P31 N88 etc.) & per the b'cast sheet: ENG / 899, CARB / 38, CHOKE / 56, TRANS / 091 (Holley)
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