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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: 493_DART]
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01/24/10 05:03 AM
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Your about spot on wize. I know you've dealt with the turbo DSM world, and your intelligent enough to see the change of tides. NA motors are for people scared of making the leap to boost. Although there are certain classes like NSS stuff or super class racing where na will always dominate, for the average guy, the hp per dollar factor of forced induction cars will always dominate.
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: dulcich]
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01/24/10 05:15 AM
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Wise, the way I see it any chimp can make big power with the power adder; it comes down to nothing more than a durability contest and the amount of boost or spray. You can hear it all day long from the import guys. N/A is where the real talent of engine building rules.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
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01/24/10 05:53 AM
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how much $$$$$$$$ is in that car?
ohhhh.... thats a GM.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: blownzoom440]
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01/24/10 08:28 AM
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so where are the fans in the stands when you go down the track? 
Week end bracket racing to most people is like watching paint dry. Not very exciting. Not a real appealing spectator sport.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: MoparforLife]
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01/24/10 09:43 AM
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so where are the fans in the stands when you go down the track?
Week end bracket racing to most people is like watching paint dry. Not very exciting. Not a real appealing spectator sport.
right on moparforlife but then again, I don't think it was designed for the spectators... 
I'll tell you this, there must've been 400 cars at Bradenton yesterday and at least 800 people walking around the place. Oh, and it was just bracket nite.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: Streetwize]
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01/24/10 12:05 PM
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Bobby, what an interesting question. I guess it comes down to: exciting to whom? I presume that you intentionally used the word “excitement”, verses “popularity”.
Here is a story. Take away from it what you want.
I participated in one of those airport drag strip racing events held locally. Everything is heads up racing. They had classes you could sign up for. I signed up for the non-power adder street class. Before they started racing, they called for me to report to the tent. I was one of two guys signed up for the non-power adder street class (keep in mind there are hundreds of cars that go to these things). My only option was to run with the power adder guys. I did not win, but raced the winner and I was the second fastest car in the class. As people discovered that my car had no power adders, the interest in the car became pretty high. I probably removed my air cleaner 15 times to show people that there wasn’t some nitrous hidden somewhere.
I was pleased with my results. There was also an acknowledgement and appreciation for my car and its performance. However, most of the fast guys there had power adders.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: BSB67]
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I dont think it lacks excitement at all!!! what it seems to lack is what it takes to get a low ET... I see posts all the time on the bullet of other races making fun of other people saying like" how fast can it be on one plate"!
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: moparniac]
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01/24/10 12:42 PM
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I've always enjoyed having one of the fastest street cars in town, now the area is ruled by nitrous and turbo cars, and they're more streetable than my combo. I don't have the money to step it up so I'm just gonna drive it and race it, most of all enjoy it.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: tboomer]
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01/24/10 01:07 PM
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I've always enjoyed having one of the fastest street cars in town, now the area is ruled by nitrous and turbo cars, and they're more streetable than my combo. I don't have the money to step it up so I'm just gonna drive it and race it, most of all enjoy it.
DING DING DING!!! WE have a winner! 
what did he win a single plate kit. 
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: Kam*Kuda]
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01/24/10 01:44 PM
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lot's of great opinions here, just wanted to see what people were thinking.... I think generations growing up today with EFI and power adders respect us "old Schoolers"...to to a point you can only go so far with atmospheric pressure  A few years back I bought a Mitsu eclipse AWD for 2400 and with maybe 2200 dollars of go-fast stuff (including a much upgraded clutch) it was going high low 8's in the 1/8th with 23psi on pump gas, 320 HP At The Wheels from only 122 cubes....and from there I could have turned up the wick with more boost and 100 octane was another 40-50 hp for 2 minutes of tweaking....it really opened my eyes cause I never even had to take the valve cover off of it! It planted a seed in my head as to what turbos and digital mapping could do. and back then I was only scratching the surface...freinds of mine are light years past that now and rest assured I consider these guys EVERY BIT as serious about hot rodding as we are. I toy with putting 2 small turbos on the rocky with a blow-through and E85....not because I'm "switching allegiences"....but because it is NEW and INTERESTING to me, and i think i can do it cheaply with a lot of off the shelf and used parts. Now that Lenny built me an awesome cage I'm a little more comfortable with the idea. but there's still nothing like old school face distorting torque, and Russ's (BSB67) 508 Charger is probably ythe finest example of pure uncompromising power in a 100% streetable package in an oem (stock 67 manifolds) package. What we do see in N/A is beyond a certain threshold we see diminishing returns, the gains above a certain point come a lot harder and they cost a lot more....I've always been a 'bang for the buck' guy....mainly out of necessity because for most of my life I had a lot more crazy ideas I wanted to try than I did cash  Interesting topic...keep it going!
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: Streetwize]
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01/24/10 08:20 PM
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I have nothing against power adders of any kind (I have a blower car and have run nitrous)...but, if ya can't make power with any of the available adders today, sell you're stuff and buy a checker board.
Take a smallblock car at 2800+ and run in the 8s, or a bigblock car well into the 8s or 7s, N/A, and that is impressive.
You really have to be on you're game in every area with N/A power. Can't waste anything.
Those kind of classes, I love.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: Streetwize]
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01/24/10 09:16 PM
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I think in my case, the 'hot rodders spirit' has always drivin me to want to have a car that was really fast first and foremost, mechanically awe inspiring, and stood out from the usual crowd. When I was younger pretty much the baddest Mopar around was a 588 powered tube chassis demon that was a full tilt big dollar effort and ran in the mid to low 8's, and mike bedsworths 572 tube challenger which ran bottom 8's. I loved those cars, but I think it's simply awesome that with a well designed turbo system, you can have all the creature comforts and streetability of the average 11 or 12 second car and pull off the same 8 second timeslips that took ridiculous money just 10 to 15 years ago. It's hot rodding at it's finest. IMHO. 
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment?
[Re: Streetwize]
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01/24/10 09:45 PM
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I think generations growing up today with EFI and power adders respect us "old Schoolers"/quote]
Yes, I think they do too. I bought a late model EFI car about 4 years back and jumped into the EFI/tuner/power adder world. A life long N/A, carb, distributor guy I never at all considered going the power adder route, and set a goal of trying to be the quickest N/A car of my type around. I was surprised that a lot of the guys don't build their own engines, and most don't do any mechanical work on their own cars, not bagging on them, it's just different. The engine doesn't even seem to be a priority, they usually shop around for the cheapest built long block, toss on the power adder, break out the laptop, and get the biggest chassis dyno number they can, and brag about it on the internet.
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