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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: Streetwize] #591759
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Its all about the avalability of turbos and blowers to the average gearhead. Racing has been about going as fast as possible. Boost or spray is how you get there. It wasnt that long ago that a 493 was a BIG street engine. Now "small" blocks regularly surpass 400 cubes. When you see a quick N/A car, its nostalgia... an appreciation for getting it done with less that is the appeal. (some would say that is the appeal of the import thing)
Everyone picks the sandbox they want to play in. Of course, we may not be able to afford play there....

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: 340B5] #591760
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600hp in the 60's is the same as 600hp today on the streets! Only so much you can do on the street without blowing the tires off!


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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: moparniac] #591761
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my n/a stuff don't lack excitement from a driver's standpoint. 7.27 @ 182 will make ya pucker a bit and same motor in my doorcar went 7.71 @ 176 and was equally fun!! single 4 barrel on both cars.

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: Streetwize] #591762
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so where are the fans in the stands when you go down the track?

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so where are the fans in the stands when you go down the track?


Who are you refering to?


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: Thumperdart] #591764
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so where are the fans in the stands when you go down the track?


Who are you refering to?



any1.trying to is N/A going away in the public eye? i guess it depends on what race you go to.

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I've been pretty happy with my measly N/A engine...
I've got a pair of turbos that I will put on a engine
for the street runner that I plan on and I also have
a blower sitting here that I might put on my 38 Ply
street rod. For the turbo project I would love to put
EFI on it but its pretty pricey.... for me if its metal
I can pretty much make it but when it comes to the
high tech electronics it mostly over my head so that
is a item that I would have to buy or get help to
make... so I could go carb and do it myself...
I really do like things that are simple

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: blownzoom440] #591766
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so where are the fans in the stands when you go down the track?


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any1.trying to is N/A going away in the public eye? i guess it depends on what race you go to.


On my 9-second pass there was $50,000+ pos supercharged mustang in the other lane and if you saw the video, he was never in sight.........now THAT`S exciting.


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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: Thumperdart] #591767
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On my 9-second pass there was $50,000+ pos supercharged mustang in the other lane and if you saw the video, he was never in sight.........now THAT`S exciting.



what it was exciting him not giving u a run for the $$?now if you and i were to get matchedup,well J/K

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: Thumperdart] #591768
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Wise, the way I see it any chimp can make big power with the power adder; it comes down to nothing more than a durability contest and the amount of boost or spray. You can hear it all day long from the import guys. N/A is where the real talent of engine building rules.
-dulcich

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: dulcich] #591769
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Wise, the way I see it any chimp can make big power with the power adder; it comes down to nothing more than a durability contest and the amount of boost or spray. You can hear it all day long from the import guys. N/A is where the real talent of engine building rules.
-dulcich



who you calling a chimp?

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Wise, the way I see it any chimp can make big power with the power adder; it comes down to nothing more than a durability contest and the amount of boost or spray. You can hear it all day long from the import guys. N/A is where the real talent of engine building rules.
-dulcich



who you calling a chimp?




Well, thinking about it, chimp - no problem; and maybe a well trained orangutan can get the job done with good rods and enough boost on hand, but I'd say it would take a smarter primate than a gorilla.
-dulcich

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so where are the fans in the stands when you go down the track?




Fans....I have two of them, one I use to keep the air circulating in my living quarters and the other I use on the tranny when it gets ugly down here.....Oh yeah got one on the radiator too

Fans....If your referring to "Spectators" I know the only person I try to please at the race track is myself

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Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: dulcich] #591772
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Wise, the way I see it any chimp can make big power with the power adder; it comes down to nothing more than a durability contest and the amount of boost or spray. You can hear it all day long from the import guys. N/A is where the real talent of engine building rules.
-dulcich


that's what i'm talking about! i [we] take pride in taking very little and going very fast!!!!!! even the fastest form of drag racing has their motors thrown together between rounds while depending on the boost and fuel for power, hoping it will stay in one piece for a single round.

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: dulcich] #591773
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Why I enjoy what we do is the diversity. I enjoy the horsepower, however it is made. At our local cruise nights we have turbo cars, blown cars, and nitrous. We all have respect. It is cool to drive up in my naturally aspirated car and see everyone stop and look. Car shaking, gear drive whining,the smell of racing gas. The look on thier face when they see an old gray haired guy driving. A big stroker motor with a radical cam is music to my ears. I have a high horsepower 588 natural aspirated in the works, thanks to Best Machine. Could I build more power with forced induction or nitrous? Sure, and probably cheaper. To me its not the same. Galen

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: dulcich] #591774
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Wise, the way I see it any chimp can make big power with the power adder; it comes down to nothing more than a durability contest and the amount of boost or spray. You can hear it all day long from the import guys. N/A is where the real talent of engine building rules.
-dulcich




There's also talent in making big HP live. I understand your point but making it to the top of the heap means one needs to do more than toss on a blower and hit the pedal. Our team does not have unlimited funds. We only have one complete motor and we have to make 2500 horsepower to be competitive. We won Outlaw 10.5 championships in the PSCA and the WCHRA and set records in both of them with our Procharged SBF. As far as the original question? The spectators like big power and low ET's. Nuff said.

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: BobR] #591775
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Nope...more impressive than the power adders.However folks always want more (racers and fans) so it's no surprise that turbos,blowers and juice are so popular.It's all good.


Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike
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Here's an example of boost on an import. It's a 3.4 liter motor. Ported head and a fair sized turbo. It runs a T400 transmission and it also has nitrous. Now I was told the launch technique is as follows. Bring it up to the line, get the lights to come on. Get it up in the revs a bit, wait for the first amber and then hit the nitrous so the motor will stall the converter because it doesn't make enough power off the nitrous to flash the converter and the converter keeps the engine below the rpm needed to get the turbo spooled up. Wonder what that does to their "consistent" reaction time. But look at that mph!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJN7AYH2Huw

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Here's an example of boost on an import. It's a 3.4 liter motor. Ported head and a fair sized turbo. It runs a T400 transmission and it also has nitrous. Now I was told the launch technique is as follows. Bring it up to the line, get the lights to come on. Get it up in the revs a bit, wait for the first amber and then hit the nitrous so the motor will stall the converter because it doesn't make enough power off the nitrous to flash the converter and the converter keeps the engine below the rpm needed to get the turbo spooled up. Wonder what that does to their "consistent" reaction time. But look at that mph!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJN7AYH2Huw



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Those guys don't much care about R/T's. It's all about performance and this video is exactly why fans love these cars. He ran in the 7's on 200 cubes and some pretty small tires.

Re: Is Normal Aspiration 'dead' in terms of Excitment? [Re: dulcich] #591778
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Wise, the way I see it any chimp can make big power with the power adder; it comes down to nothing more than a durability contest and the amount of boost or spray. You can hear it all day long from the import guys. N/A is where the real talent of engine building rules.
-dulcich





EXACTLY.

Things have changed havent they..........and power has gotten cheaper to bolt on.



I used to tell the other street racer guys " turn up your nitrous! "

that was in 1994...........


Way different now.

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