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ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION #586208 01/18/10 01:50 AM 01/18/10 01:50 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca M mikeysmopars OP top fuel
mikeysmopars OP top fuel M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca	Just got my new roll cage from Aslton and Looking for some opinion. First its a 12 point cage mild steel. I got all but the front supports tacked in place with my little miller 135 110 and seemed to penatrate pretty well and was tempted to weld it up but wondered if anyone here has welded up an entire cage with the 110? I intend to take it to a friend to use the 220 for more penitration but wanted to hear from experience. Second, my car has ladder bars and is not back halfed, Should I put in the x brace and is it necessary? I will only be going 10.0 in a 68 dart Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: mikeysmopars] #586209 01/18/10 01:54 AM 01/18/10 01:54 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I used a lingcoln 185 - 220 for my cage.

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: ] #586210 01/18/10 01:56 AM 01/18/10 01:56 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 998 Sturgis S.D. T tripleblackcuda super stock
tripleblackcuda super stock T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 998 Sturgis S.D.	how thick is the steel tubing? If it is within capacity of the machine, have at it. the 135 will do up to 1/4" steel right??

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: tripleblackcuda] #586211 01/18/10 02:06 AM 01/18/10 02:06 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca M mikeysmopars OP top fuel
mikeysmopars OP top fuel M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca	The machine is good to !/4" I just want be confident its penitrated. Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: mikeysmopars] #586212 01/18/10 02:12 AM 01/18/10 02:12 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 998 Sturgis S.D. T tripleblackcuda super stock
tripleblackcuda super stock T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 998 Sturgis S.D.	I think they rate those to 1/4" with good metal to metal penetration. If it looks solid and seems solid, I wouldn't see a reason not too. I burn thru sometime with my machine because it is TOO big, a smaller welder like yours would do me a alot of good sometimes!

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: tripleblackcuda] #586213 01/18/10 02:17 AM 01/18/10 02:17 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca M mikeysmopars OP top fuel
mikeysmopars OP top fuel M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca	Thanks for the Vote! Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: tripleblackcuda] #586214 01/18/10 02:18 AM 01/18/10 02:18 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Are you a great welder? I wouldn't weld a cage with a 110 machine. I sure wouldn't weld it, then go over it again with a 220 machine. Use the 110 to tack it together, then finish it with a 220 machine.

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: RobX4406] #586215 01/18/10 03:51 AM 01/18/10 03:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 I Live Here
Quicksilver440 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: Are you a great welder? I wouldn't weld a cage with a 110 machine. I sure wouldn't weld it, then go over it again with a 220 machine. Use the 110 to tack it together, then finish it with a 220 machine. I have a 135 110v machine... I'll bet that machine is rated for 1/4" when using fluxcore wire...not with gas (thats what mine is). I'd just tack it with the 110 then weld it out with your buddies machine.

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: Quicksilver440] #586216 01/18/10 06:12 AM 01/18/10 06:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I use to use a 135 for doing exhaust... that was .062 to .080 thats about all its really good for, no way would I weld a cage with it.... I have no idea why they say it'll weld heavy stuff like a 1/4" which I dont think its that heavy anyways... might be 3/16"(rated)

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: MR_P_BODY] #586217 01/18/10 06:16 AM 01/18/10 06:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,697 Renton Wa T topfueldart master
topfueldart master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,697 Renton Wa	Agree. No chance you can weld a cage with a 135 welder. I tacked mine with the 135 and went 220 to weld it for real. 11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost. 9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: topfueldart] #586218 01/18/10 08:50 AM 01/18/10 08:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,375 west palm beach, florida modelmakerinc top fuel
modelmakerinc top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,375 west palm beach, florida	I welded my cage with a Daytona Mig 110 machine. Used it on 140 amp settng with a .35 wire and 75/25 mix gas. It welds very well has alot of penetration. I trust my 110 Mig and my skills to have built a solid cage. If you have any hesitations about the quality of your welds or machine then use the 220 that you have access to make sure your tubes fit tight. here is a pic Exceptional Architectural, Yacht and Automotive scale models. e-mail modelmakerinc@att.net for a portfolio review. www.modelmakerinc.com

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: modelmakerinc] #586219 01/18/10 09:16 AM 01/18/10 09:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 254 Southern Utah 4 440Laser super street
440Laser super street 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 254 Southern Utah	I welded mine up with a Millermatic 135 (110v) and it did just fine. Great penetration. That mild steel tubing is only .134 thick, just over 1/8". But what do I know I've only been welding for 40+ years.

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: modelmakerinc] #586220 01/18/10 09:36 AM 01/18/10 09:36 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I welded my cage with a Daytona Mig 110 machine. Used it on 140 amp settng with a .35 wire and 75/25 mix gas. It welds very well has alot of penetration. I trust my 110 Mig and my skills to have built a solid cage. If you have any hesitations about the quality of your welds or machine then use the 220 that you have access to make sure your tubes fit tight. The 140 machine I used had a fair amount more power than the 135 I used... I thought the 135 was a piece of DO-DO... these were machines I used in the lab where I worked and welded everyday but the welders I own for myself are all 220 units... I am thinking of picking up a 140 for the race car trailer with a small bottle

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: MR_P_BODY] #586221 01/18/10 05:22 PM 01/18/10 05:22 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,749 Chowchilla,ca Chassisman master
Chassisman master Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,749 Chowchilla,ca	110 machines only have a 20% duty cycle...they fall off rapidly in their performance. 220 machines have a 60% duty cycle....they keep consistancey. Don't cut corners Mike...do it with the 220 machine.

Re: ANOTHER ROLL CAGE QUESTION [Re: Chassisman] #586222 01/19/10 10:19 PM 01/19/10 10:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca M mikeysmopars OP top fuel
mikeysmopars OP top fuel M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca	Quote: 110 machines only have a 20% duty cycle...they fall off rapidly in their performance. 220 machines have a 60% duty cycle....they keep consistancey. Don't cut corners Mike...do it with the 220 machine. Will do Ron, and everyone else! Thanks Looks like if you know what your doing you could do it with a 110 but til i'm great at it I think i'll do it with the big gun. Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack

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