Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/17/10 07:12 PM
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Anyone do this mod on an e-body yet?
I'm sure the torsion bar x-member will need to be thoroughly hacked, but wondering about the tunnell itself if it'll have to be completely replaced or just hacked/patched.
There's no hacking,...unless of course the installers skill level usually entails that degree of mechanical skill, as with ANY application where a componet is not originaly designed for that application, there will be some mods to perform, wether recommended by the vendor, or percieved by the installer.....but no you won't be "hacking" your crossmember or tunnel for the NEW T56 installs......granted some of the early Keisler Tremec swaps had clearance issusers, which some owners refused to mod their car to accept,....like everything in life, things change and adapt from evolution,...so have many of Keislers offerings,....if your a paint daub/numbbers/originality guy, stay with your stock set up,.....if you like performance, improvement, less engine wear, GREAT gas milage, then install a Keisler TKO or Tremec
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/17/10 07:19 PM
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Anyone do this mod on an e-body yet?
I'm sure the torsion bar x-member will need to be thoroughly hacked, but wondering about the tunnell itself if it'll have to be completely replaced or just hacked/patched.
There's no hacking,...unless of course the installers skill level usually entails that degree of mechanical skill, as with ANY application were a componet is not designed for that application, there will be some mods to perform, wether recommended by the vendor, or percieved by the installer.....but no you won't be "hacking" your crossmember or tunnel for the NEW T56 installs......granted some of the early Keisler Tremec swaps had clearance issusers, which some owners refused to mod their car to accept,....like everything in life, things change and adapt from evolution,...so have many of Keislers offerings,....if your a paint daub/numbbers/originality guy, stay with your stock set up,.....if you like performance, improvement, less engine wear, GREAT gas milage, then install a Keisler TKO or Tremec
Mike
Hmm...you sure? I'm aware of mods that may be req'd for the FIVE-speed, but heck, Keisler dosn't even offer the Viper 6-speed on their website, leading me to believe that it's thoroughly a MAJOR mod.
Here's a TR6060 in a Challenger, which I think is very close in dimensions to a T56:
Complete elimination of torsion bar x-member:
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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Hmm...you sure? I'm aware of mods that may be req'd for the FIVE-speed, but heck, Keisler dosn't even offer the Viper 6-speed on their website
Rob,...use the search function on the Keisler site for T-56 applications using the Viper Case with .50 OD,....there's over 150 T56 Tremec applications, bellhousing availability, clutch packages, etc.....if your serious about a T56 .50 Viper Tremec, call Keisler, Gene, Richard or Jeff can assist you with your application, and what's needed/available,....the NEW DogBox RT T56 (no clutch shifting) should be available soon, depending on your projects deadline?
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/17/10 10:20 PM
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Rob,...use the search function on the Keisler site for T-56 applications using the Viper Case with .50 OD,....there's over 150 T56 Tremec applications, bellhousing availability, clutch packages, etc.....if your serious about a T56 .50 Viper Tremec, call Keisler, Gene, Richard or Jeff can assist you with your application, and what's needed/available,....the NEW DogBox RT T56 (no clutch shifting) should be available soon, depending on your projects deadline?
Well...I meant Keisler doesn't seem to offer the 6-speed as part of their e-body packages. I'm sure they do for other cars (e.g. GM cars).
Hmm...that's a lot of hackin'. Although I won't be using the torsion cross-member (going w/an Alterkation or XV II suspen.), I just installed a four-speed hump, which I guess now I would have to slaughter to get the right driveline angle.
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/18/10 10:45 AM
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Check with richman, they make a sweet 6 speed.www.richman.com
I don't think canned fish is what he needs in his Ebody
The company he is referring to is Richmond.
We can sell you a mechanically adaptable 6 speed but there will be modification. The six speeds are physically larger and there is no way to make clearance for the torsion bar crossmember.
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/18/10 12:42 PM
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Check with richman, they make a sweet 6 speed.www.richman.com
I don't think canned fish is what he needs in his Ebody
The company he is referring to is Richmond.
We can sell you a mechanically adaptable 6 speed but there will be modification. The six speeds are physically larger and there is no way to make clearance for the torsion bar crossmember.
W/the torsion bar x-member gone, what kind of mount do you use at the tail end of the tranny? Using the OEM four-speed hump, does the shifter come out of the factory shifter hole?
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/18/10 04:34 PM
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Crossmember would be up to you. The shifter location will not be correct.It will be center and forward of the location. Like the Picture show earlier of Matt D's car. He may actually have the drawlings or a crossmember.
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/18/10 05:23 PM
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Does anyone currently make an offset shifter or shifter handle for the Viper tranny? I am considering doing a Viper V-10/6-speed swap into a 'Cuda. Or, a 6.1L with a manual tranny (preferably the T-56). I don't fear having the floor modified or customizing a mount. However, having the shifter come through the factory console location would be an important thing for me.
Thanks, Paul
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/18/10 10:13 PM
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The Viper shifter is way far forward. The Ebody shifter is about 25 inches back from the bell with a 3 inch offset. It will be tough. The Viper bell is more shallow than the factory Mopar bell. Its shifter is only about 17 inches back from the mounting position. It would be near impossible to get the shifter in the correct location.
If you do this make the motor and trans and older one. The Viper after I think 2000 had no speedo on the trans they all calibrated off the rear end.
If you do this I have a bolt in hydraulic system for that set up.
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Re: 71 Cuda 6 Speed ?
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01/19/10 05:28 PM
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Thanks Gene! I appreciate the info. Paul
1970 Barracuda Convertible 1970 Newport Convertible 1970 Satellite Convertible 1974 'Cuda shell - '71 conversion 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass w/455 2003 RAM3500 CTD 2007 Caliber R/T AWD 2007 Magnum SRT-8 2016 Chrysler Town & Country
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