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66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. #582925
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Seen this advertised, looks like a very cool Hemi project! I'm sure some of you have heard about this car before, as well as some of the other 4-door Hemi cars built, discuss.

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The good old Canadian four door. BS27R1B owned the car at one time and so did another person Tony D. He sold the car into the USA. I remember when another owner ripped the trim off the rear quarter on a cement pillar back in about 1983 at a mopar car show in Markham Ontario. I believe this car was sold out of Davidson Chrysler in Scarborough. This car seems to surface for sale about every 10 years. There was also a story being told of another 4 door hemi car sold new in Canada but it was a Plymouth.

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Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. [Re: hemicar1971] #582928
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The 1967 Belvedere II car in Finland (the only known and documented 4 door Plymouth Hemi car of any year) the other 3 known/documented cars were all 1966 Dodge Coronets, this gold Canadian car, the white US built car that's in Garlits museum, and the other US built car that is the red and was sold at BJ a few years back.

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Scott the other 4 door Hemi Plymouth I speek about was told to me by a person that once owned the Canadian Hemi 4 door Coronet on E Bay. That was before even people new such animals existed. I do not believe Chrysler has any known 66-67 Hemi Production figures that can be stated at true numbers built.


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Yes I also remember seeing this 66 Hemi 4-door Coronet in a old nhoa newsletter, a guy buy the name of Harold Davies? used to own it back in the 80's, but I heard that he passed away years ago. I guess it changed hands several times after that. It would be nice if someone finally restored this thing, I think it's one of the rarer hemi cars built. Anyone got a extra hitch laying around to bolt on it, lol.

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Here's the Garlits car

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Here's the red car sold at Barrett....Unless another DOCUMENTED example surfaces... that's all folks!

*The guy you read about in the NHOA letter owned this red car, he was from Witchita, (both the white & red cars were from the same area) I believe his name was Floyd, his name was on a special plaque on the dash.

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Scott the other 4 door Hemi Plymouth I speek about was told to me by a person that once owned the Canadian Hemi 4 door Coronet on E Bay




I've never heard of or seen any evidence of the Canadian Plymouth you mentioned, if it exists (which I sort of doubt, allot of clones and transplants out there) I'd love to see the details that's for sure.

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Harold Davies from Owen Sound,Ontario did at one time own the Car. You are right has passed away. Another was Len Wieler. The person that sold the Car to the USA was Tony his name is on the Ontario Ownership in the E-Bay ad, I believe he bought the car from BS27R1B. At one time I was thinking of buying the car off Tony but it needed a lot of work and there were a ton of other Hemi Car for sale at that time.


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*The guy you read about in the NHOA letter owned this red car, he was from Witchita, (both the white & red cars were from the same area) I believe his name was Floyd, his name was on a special plaque on the dash.



Yes I recall the fellow from Kansas with the two 4-door Hemi Coronet's, but his name eludes me. Floyd was the original owner of the red car with his name on a plaque located on the dash. The owner? of white car bought the red one as well, he owned both of them, and eventually sold off the white car to Garlits I believe, then sold off the red one next, or vice-versa.

But this faded goldish 66 4-door Hemi Coronet was the very first Hemi 4-door that I ever seen in my life! I believe Harold Davies was a old nhoa director at the time, but I don't recall seeing that other nhoa article you speak of? I vaguely remember it but my memory isn't what it used to be. Anyway those other 66 4-door Hemi Coronet's & one 67 4-door Hemi Plymouth didn't hit the news-stands featured in the Mopar magazine's for a couple of years after that.

Can someone scoop that faded gold photo from the ebay ad and post it on here, thanks.

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Yes I recall the fellow from Kansas with the two 4-door Hemi Coronet's, but his name eludes me. Floyd was the original owner of the red car with his name on a plaque located on the the dash. The owner? of white car bought the red one as well, he owned both of them, and eventually sold off the white car to Garlits I believe, then sold off the red one next, or vice-versa.

But this faded goldish 66 4-door Hemi Coronet was the very first Hemi 4-door that I ever seen in my life! I believe Harold Davies was a old nhoa director at the time, but I don't recall seeing that other nhoa article you speak of? I vaguely remember it but my memory isn't what it used to be.




The original owner of the red car was Floyd "Pappy" Cline, and the white one was owned by Dave Betthauser (not the original owner). The red car sat without an engine or transmission in a driveway across the street from a post office that I used when I was on the NHOA Board.

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I just e-mailed this link to my buddy Ed (Moparts member), hopefully he chimes in and posts a pic of the hemi Plymouth 4dr that his family owned in the '60's. IIRC, it was a 4-spd car.


'70 Super Bee 440 6 pack 4-spd 4.10 Dana N96 EB5
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See if he has a pic of the vin or fender tag!

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James- Thanks for the head's up.

Scott/All,

I've posted replies in the past when this topic comes up, regarding my father's 1966 Plymouth Belv II 4 door Hemi, factory 4 speed car. Here are the details of the car- as documented by my father in 2004:

"My car - Belvedere II 4 door sedan, forest green metallic with citron gold cloth interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, wood grained steering wheel, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker. The car was ordered by Franklin Motors on 3/22/66, and built almost immediately in St Louis, Missouri. It arrived at Wyckoff on Thursday, 4/7. I drove it as my only car for 72,000 miles during a 22 month period. In March 1968, my second cousin Allen Greg Bull bought the car. I believe he sold it to owner #3 who sold it to owner #4, who owned a gas station in Hackensack NJ. I bought the car back in March/April 1972, with 112,000 - 115,000 miles on it."

In 1976 the car was freshened up with new quarters and allot of NOS parts, and my father installed a full factory air conditioning system removed from a 66 Coronet. It had 180,000 miles on it when it disappeared 7/4/80: often the car was parked in a municipal parking lot adjacent to our home. Car was discovered missing on the morning of 7/5/80. In September of 1980, we received a failure to pay notice from the Paterson, New Jersey Police Department regarding an overdue parking ticket issued against the car on 7/9/80. We know who stole the car: a guy who was interested in my mother's 1968 383/4 speed Sport Fury convertible. At the time, the Hemi car was parked (gas crunch) and my father was considering selling it: so he showed the car to this guy (named "Ed": reddish hair, in his 30's at the time, and from Paterson NJ, driving a blue 1973/4 Mustang Conv) when he came to look at the Sport Fury Conv.

I grew up with this car- it did exist. I have few pictures, of poor 1960's-1970's quality, and none of the interior. All documentation that would possibly have a VIN have long been discarded (registrations/insurance cards). Also, within the past few years, a board member attempted to locate the police report from when the car was stolen in the NICB database: no luck in locating a record. If anyone is willing/able to make another 'go' at locating the report- I would be grateful: I just want to get a VIN on this car.

I've been meaning to scan in the pics I have and at least get them to Scott for his records: maybe this year it'll get done.

Thanks for reading: it sickens me this car is gone.


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It seems like there is another guy looking for that same green 66 4-door Belvedere II Hemi car that you speak of, unless this other person is related to you?

http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12540

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It seems like there is another guy looking for that same green 66 4-door Belvedere II Hemi car that you speak of, unless this other person is related to you?

http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12540




!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for locating this!

OK- this must be Allen Bull. On the phone with my father regarding this. Also- waiting on a user ID for that forum in order to reply to that thread.

As for the 150 mph speedo: my father swapped in a 67 GTX speedo- retaining the odometer from the original- in late 1966.


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1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
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Located a few pics- these are from late March 1972, with my mother lashing the valves. The first shows the car as a 4 door. In the 2nd one, the motor can be seen. The 426 emblems are not present on the car, as they were removed shortly after it was delivered to further enhance the sleeper image:

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1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
"The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
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1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
"The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
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