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Iron Butterfly info? #574205 01/05/10 08:58 PM 01/05/10 08:58 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Trying to fill in an ownership on the 64 Dodge Iron Butterfly now owned by Rick Johnson. We know Ted Spehar built/raced it with Wally Booth. It then went to Dick Oldfield then Rod Shop with numerous drivers including Larry Morgan. Rick bought it from DeFrank. We don't know the owner[s] between Rod Shop and DeFrank. Any help guys? 5714210-RMA6905[1].jpg (471 downloads) The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574206 01/05/10 09:14 PM 01/05/10 09:14 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,101 Yes S sixpakdodge master
sixpakdodge master S Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,101 Yes	Out of sheer curiosity, What are the first three digits of the VIN?

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: sixpakdodge] #574207 01/05/10 09:35 PM 01/05/10 09:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Have to get to Rick's this weekend an look. It was Spehar's wifes car tha he built. 5714345-mopar_resize.jpg (286 downloads) The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574208 01/05/10 09:41 PM 01/05/10 09:41 PM
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sixpakdodge master S Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,101 Yes	Quote: Have to get to Rick's this weekend an look. It was Spehar's wifes car tha he built. I know it was his wife's car. Mrs. Spehar and I have discussed it.

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574209 01/05/10 09:44 PM 01/05/10 09:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,987 Anoka County, MN L Leigh master
Leigh master L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,987 Anoka County, MN	You could try Dave Young, Bruce Crandall, Don (Sharadon Perf), Dyno Dan Zrust, anyone in the Line/Nelson family, Big Daddy, Gene Mosbeck, and Al Corda. Most have been around for over 30-35 (and some more) and might be able to help.

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Leigh] #574210 01/05/10 11:26 PM 01/05/10 11:26 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,134 OHIO THE HEART OF IT ALL 64hemi330sedan super stock
64hemi330sedan super stock Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,134 OHIO THE HEART OF IT ALL	i know for a fact that red jackson and bill coleman also owned it for a short time. 5714709-64330hemi.jpg (274 downloads)

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: 64hemi330sedan] #574211 01/06/10 12:11 AM 01/06/10 12:11 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Who are they? The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574212 01/06/10 12:26 AM 01/06/10 12:26 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	The aluminum front end that is on it is not original. Rod Shop bought it off a guy in KY. The shop paid $500 for the nose. That was in 79'or80' 5714833-rodshopdodgrss-easpring.jpg (271 downloads)

Re: Iron Butterfly info? #574213 01/06/10 12:15 PM 01/06/10 12:15 PM
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Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Good info, Poppa J. Did the doors come with the deal? 5715495-shogocorova07019[640x480].jpg (456 downloads) The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574214 01/06/10 01:10 PM 01/06/10 01:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,020 MN J JERICOGTX I Live Here
JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,020 MN	Is Rick still in Litchfield? Both of his cars have a interesting past... The Cuda was John Hagens Red 68 built by jerry Hemmingson. Jeff 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574215 01/06/10 04:10 PM 01/06/10 04:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,134 OHIO THE HEART OF IT ALL 64hemi330sedan super stock
64hemi330sedan super stock Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,134 OHIO THE HEART OF IT ALL	Quote: Who are they? they are two guys that live in ohio who raced back when those cars were new.they also campained a 65 coronet hemi car called the cruasader.not as high profile as some others listed.but still part of super stock racing i remember growing up. 5715957-64HEMI.jpg (135 downloads) Last edited by 64hemi330sedan; 01/06/10 05:08 PM.

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: 64hemi330sedan] #574216 01/06/10 07:28 PM 01/06/10 07:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Did Jackson/Coleman get the car from the Rod Shop? Rick seem to think it spent some time in Louisiana B4 DeFrank. The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574217 01/06/10 07:39 PM 01/06/10 07:39 PM
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B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Quote: Did Jackson/Coleman get the car from the Rod Shop? Rick seem to think it spent some time in Louisiana B4 DeFrank. Corky Bliss out of Louisiana may have had it at one time. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Iron Butterfly info? #574218 01/07/10 11:33 AM 01/07/10 11:33 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV F Frito top fuel
Frito top fuel F Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV	Quote: The aluminum front end that is on it is not original. Rod Shop bought it off a guy in KY. The shop paid $500 for the nose. That was in 79'or80' Interesting!!!! I have found my old Dodge but less front end. The front was missing when Fred E. got the car from Donnie Chapman. Donnie also bought it less front. We sold the car to Donald Stepp, who has passed. I think he raced the car locally until the mid 80"s though. There is a Max Wedge aluminum front end out there somewhere.

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Frito] #574219 01/07/10 11:34 AM 01/07/10 11:34 AM
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Frito top fuel F Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV	2 5717991-carhauler.jpg (289 downloads)

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Frito] #574220 01/07/10 04:10 PM 01/07/10 04:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW M mr_340 master
mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW	Oldfield told me they (Dick and possibly Ted) went through the Chrysler parts warehouse and picked out all the aluminum parts for the car. Dick told me the brakes were terrible when he drove it. Ted had installed wooden brake drums on the front. I wonder who ended up with those? Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: mr_340] #574221 01/07/10 06:12 PM 01/07/10 06:12 PM
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sixpakdodge master S Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,101 Yes	Quote: Oldfield told me they (Dick and possibly Ted) went through the Chrysler parts warehouse and picked out all the aluminum parts for the car. Dick told me the brakes were terrible when he drove it. Ted had installed wooden brake drums on the front. I wonder who ended up with those? News to me about the aluminum since the car was built by Spehar to run a steel nose. Dave Koffel told me that because he was one of the ones who commissioned the 4 steel nose/fresh air Hemi '64 cars that year. Also, Wally Booth drove it before Dick O. Dick O used it after he broke the Dart he was running for the NY Dodge Dealers. He never owned the car.

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: sixpakdodge] #574222 01/07/10 07:33 PM 01/07/10 07:33 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	A pic copied off Class Racer of the Butterfly, Hemi hood, steel nose. 5718922-1970scatspeaksvol1no25-Copy[1].jpg (502 downloads) The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: Barnstorm] #574223 01/07/10 07:56 PM 01/07/10 07:56 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Good info, Poppa J. Did the doors come with the deal? we bought the whole car for that and just stripped off all the light weight parts.No doors as I remember. The donor car was near Somerset, KY Last edited by poppa J; 01/07/10 08:03 PM.

Re: Iron Butterfly info? [Re: sixpakdodge] #574224 01/07/10 09:22 PM 01/07/10 09:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW M mr_340 master
mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW	Quote: News to me about the aluminum since the car was built by Spehar to run a steel nose. Dave Koffel told me that because he was one of the ones who commissioned the 4 steel nose/fresh air Hemi '64 cars that year. Also, Wally Booth drove it before Dick O. Dick O used it after he broke the Dart he was running for the NY Dodge Dealers. He never owned the car. I e-mailed Dick and Ted about this thread. Hopefully one of them will come here and set the record straight. Dick told me that at Carlisle about five years ago, so I've slept since then and maybe got cornfused. I thought only the hardtop Hemi cars had the steel nose. Maybe that was the Plymouths? Floyd Lippencott IV

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