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F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? #574062
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Who on our site is in this class of racing ??? I think there was a gentleman on here with a 67 GTX, but I cant seem to find anything in the search'es I've done.

Also, there seems to be some controversy over the rules as far as engine spec's go, anyone with any info would be helpful....MrPlymouth

Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: mrplymouth] #574063
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HEMI Joel runs the 67 HEMI GTX in FAST. What do you want to know about the class and rules?

Jeff


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Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: JERICOGTX] #574064
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Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: greenmcode] #574066
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Joel, dave and Tommy (Cannon) pop in every once in a while, on Occasion even a couple Brand X "guest stars" pop in to say hi.

I used to do some work with them (a lot more like Play actually) , great bunch of guys!

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Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: JERICOGTX] #574067
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THere's at least a half dozen F.A,S,T, racers here on Moparts.
Me, Dave Dudek, Tom Cannon, Ed Cook, Tom Cannon, Gene Wisley, and more.

All the details of F.A.S.T. racing, including rules, race format, and history, can be found at www.fastraces.org.

Engine rule:

2.00 ENGINE
2.01 Engine block must appear to be a correct* original block and it must be an original vintage OEM or vintage OEM replacement of the same engine family and exterior size and must be made from the same material as the correct* original block. Also, a new OEM replacement block is allowed only if it duplicates a legal vintage block in design, material, appearance, bore size and performance. No aftermarket blocks are allowed. Replacement OEM blocks that have raised decks, raised cam or bigger bores are not allowed. Block casting number does not have to be correct*. No aftermarket blocks allowed.
For example:
a. A correct* 400 cid block could be replaced with a vintage, OEM 455 block, if it appears externally correct*, and is made from the correct* material.
b. A correct* Mopar 340 could use a 318, 340 or a 360 block, if it appears externally correct*, and is made from the correct* material.
c. A correct* 327 Chevy can use a 350 or 400 block, if it appears externally correct*, and is made from the correct* material.
d. A new Mopar Hemi standard replacement block is allowed, but a Siamese bore Mega block is not.
2.02 Dealer installed engines and dealer performed modifications are not allowed.
2.03 Cylinder Heads and Intake Manifold MUST be correct* OEM casting, have correct* original casting numbers and be of correct* original material.
This may very well be the most important and teched F.A.S.T. rule.
Note: Any cylinder head or intake manifold that is not the correct* casting number, must be approved and published on the F.A.S.T. website.
Casting date codes are not looked at and are not part of the tech process.
2.04 Internal engine modifications OK.
2.05 The entire engine compartment and engine assembly, including accessories, must appear correct, except for items specifically defined otherwise in these rules. Appearance of the engine will be inspected with the air filter housing off and on. Removal of pollution control air pump is allowed. Engine torque strap OK.
Engine color should appear stock.
2.06 No Nitrous Oxide allowed.
2.07 Lightweight mini starters OK. If painted to appear as stock as possible.
2.08 Aftermarket harmonic balancers are OK, if painted to appear as stock as possible.



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Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: Streetwize] #574068
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I think every form of racing anything has its issues with the rules. That is just the way it is. LOL

Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: scatpacktom] #574069
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do you check #'s on the carb? will any AFB work or any T-quad as long as thats the style carb that the car left the factory with.

Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: ademon] #574070
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Based on what I've seen you can run just about any AFB or TQ you want (depending on which style your engine came with originally).......... Not that I agree with that, personally I feel that if the carb has an obvious outward difference in appearance you should be limited to using that style, say a 71 TQ vs a 72, the 71 canted mixture screws are a dead give away. Now, if you could somehow make a 72 TQ APPEAR to be a 71, I'm ok with that.


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I'd rather modify a 72 and later t-quad to look like a 71, than modify my 71 to work, they are just to rare.

Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: ademon] #574072
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The carb does not need to be #`s matching. In your case a 72 carb would be legal. You can go to www.fastraces.org for the rules.

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Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: mrplymouth] #574073
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Would a '67 RO HEMI be allowed in? I'm a little confused. The rules state no stroker cranks but I thought many of the racers are using them? Like you Dave? And in 2 different pages of the rules, one page states "no internal modes to exhaust manifolds, extrude hone or porting ".. and the other page states..."mods allowed".
Which is it?

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There are 2 classes and 2 sets of rules. F.A.S.T. is the one that allows the internal engone mods, Factory Stock does not. No factory race cars allowed

http://www.fastraces.org/members/fastraces/fastraces.nsf/top-menu-items/ghp22

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Would a '67 RO HEMI be allowed in? I'm a little confused. The rules state no stroker cranks but I thought many of the racers are using them? Like you Dave? And in 2 different pages of the rules, one page states "no internal modes to exhaust manifolds, extrude hone or porting ".. and the other page states..."mods allowed".
Which is it?




sounds like you are MIXING the STOCK and FAST rules to me ...

Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #574076
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Based on this FAST rule, can I run a Dana 60 in my Duster if it's built to look like a stock OEM rear end?

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12.00 REAR AXLES
12.01 The rear axle housing must be of the same manufacturer as the car. OEM appearing aftermarket housings are OK.
Internal modifications are OK. Any gear ratio allowed. Aftermarket axles are OK.
Upgrade to posi-unit or spool is OK.




Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #574077
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Yup, the Dana 60 can go into any F.A.S.T. eligible Mopar. Or the 8-3/4 if thats your preference.

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Cool! That helps!

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can I run a Dana 60 in my Duster if it's built to look like a stock OEM rear end?




Scott,

Why would you want to do that?


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Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: Rapid340] #574080
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Scott,

Why would you want to do that?




So I only have to build one rear end, I plan on giving it alot of punishment with the 4 speed and when not FAST racing (next to never) I'll be running slicks at the local track.

Re: F.A.S.T. Class racing.....??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #574081
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You been hanging out here to long Scott. Buy a good clutch instead,it would be better money spent with and without slicks

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