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Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: Al_Alguire] #56782 04/26/08 05:05 PM 04/26/08 05:05 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	The G is a great top end manifold, light car w/ lots of gear it's a good/great choice. Heavy car, mild gearing...,,uhh, not so much! WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56783 04/26/08 05:44 PM 04/26/08 05:44 PM
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jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	Andy, the indicator bracket is that one of your creations or something store brought?

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: jamesc] #56784 04/26/08 07:15 PM 04/26/08 07:15 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	Quote: Andy, the indicator bracket is that one of your creations or something store brought? That bracket is a tool that I make. I never used to sell it but I'll be adding it to the price list in the near future. It is a handy little tool that lines up the indicator with the lifter bores. I'll probably include a selection of short pushrods with the kit. 4386392-indicator.jpg (271 downloads)

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: Streetwize] #56785 04/26/08 07:19 PM 04/26/08 07:19 PM
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71Chip enthusiast 7 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 254 Vista, CA	Hey Wize, not to threadjack, but does that Indy dual plane fit under the stock Charger hood with the aircleaner on? Is that the 440-2? And how does Charger hood clearance compared to Challenger hood clearance? 71 Challenger

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: 71Chip] #56786 04/26/08 09:29 PM 04/26/08 09:29 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	chip...not to threadjack either but... Yes, it is and Yes it (suprisingly) does 3" drop base Last edited by Streetwize; 04/26/08 10:05 PM. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56787 04/26/08 09:33 PM 04/26/08 09:33 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Thats a beautiful set-up you got there!

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56788 05/13/08 12:38 AM 05/13/08 12:38 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	A month has gone by and still not Super Victor in sight. Motor is all together with the Mopar Performance M1 intake. I have a new adapter from Wilson on the way that adapts a 4150 carb to a 4500 intake. I might give that a whirl on the dyno just to see what happens. 4424009-cover.jpg (471 downloads)

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56789 05/13/08 02:48 AM 05/13/08 02:48 AM
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John Burdine pro stock J Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,403 Chesterfield Twp. Mi.	Andy, is that the Jesel distributor?

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: John Burdine] #56790 05/14/08 10:48 AM 05/14/08 10:48 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	Quote: Andy, is that the Jesel distributor? Yep, I've been using the Jesel distributor for awhile now on the dyno engines. It is easy to set up and seems to work really well. I don't have to fight the distributor when I pull the valve covers to set the lash. Only drawback is I have to run the reverse flow water pump which I'm not so sure I like. I might build some spacers to go back to the normal water pump.

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56791 05/14/08 12:08 PM 05/14/08 12:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan	So let me get this straight...you got the MP intake right on time, but the Edelbrock intake is on backorder? Doesn't usually happen that way! Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56792 05/14/08 12:21 PM 05/14/08 12:21 PM
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DV8 mopar addict Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 633 NY/NJ	Quote: Quote: Andy, is that the Jesel distributor? Yep, I've been using the Jesel distributor for awhile now on the dyno engines. It is easy to set up and seems to work really well. I don't have to fight the distributor when I pull the valve covers to set the lash. Only drawback is I have to run the reverse flow water pump which I'm not so sure I like. I might build some spacers to go back to the normal water pump. Andy, what don't you like about the reverse flow water pump? ~S~ "The function of man is to live, not exist..."

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: ZIPPY] #56793 05/14/08 12:24 PM 05/14/08 12:24 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	Yep! Evidently Edelbrock isn't really making the Super Victor intake yet. They've been advertising them for months but nobody has them in stock and there doesn't seem to be any shipping date in the system. That MP intake showed up within a few days of ordering it. Now, lets talk about the B block version of that intake!! Nothing in inventory anywhere for the B intake.

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: DV8] #56794 05/14/08 12:27 PM 05/14/08 12:27 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	I'm not confident that the reverse flow water pump is actually keeping the heads cool enough. There isn't enough pressure in a reverse flow system to push air bubbles down and out of the motor so they can gather in places and cause hot spots. The normal flow path from the bottom to the top of the motor helps to flush air out of the top of the motor but now the air wants to go up and the water is being forced down.

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56795 05/14/08 12:59 PM 05/14/08 12:59 PM
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DV8 mopar addict Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 633 NY/NJ	Quote: I'm not confident that the reverse flow water pump is actually keeping the heads cool enough. There isn't enough pressure in a reverse flow system to push air bubbles down and out of the motor so they can gather in places and cause hot spots. The normal flow path from the bottom to the top of the motor helps to flush air out of the top of the motor but now the air wants to go up and the water is being forced down. Hmmm, in my 9C1's LT-1 I have a factory reverse cooling pump/system. It has a small bleeder valve on the thermostat housing. I've changed the antifreeze & bled the system once every time & never had a problem in over 100K miles? Maybe it's a better system/pump? I have mod's to the motor & it has only electric fans. I'm just curious to see if there actually is a benefit to the reverse system in reality compared to therory. ~S~ "The function of man is to live, not exist..."

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: DV8] #56796 05/14/08 02:34 PM 05/14/08 02:34 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	GM had some problems with that system and they stopped using it. I don't know the inside scoop on the engineering reasons why they stopped using it but they did. The trapped air is the main problem and maybe that air bleed is all that is necessary. Then again, maybe they spent a bunch of time shaping the water jackets inside the heads to promote the flow of air and water? On a Mopar engine that was designed 50 years ago it seems a little too odd that a person could just change the direction of the coolant flow and not have any negative effects. Maybe there is some happy accident in the design that allows it to work that way? I've run the reverse flow setup on the dyno and haven't seen any problems but that doesn't mean the problem isn't there. We don't have this engine equipped with any type of multi-channel data logger hooked to thermocouples buried in the heads. So who knows, the exhaust valve on the #5 cylinder might be ready to melt and we wouldn't know it until too late. I've seen a few SB circle track motors that run reverse cooling and those motors tend to use external water lines and tricks like that to get the temps all balanced out. I've never invested the time to do any of those tricks. Once again, on the dyno it might not matter too much. The cooling tower is higher than the engine so air is going to get bled out of the system in the tower, and we have an huge supply of cold water flowing into the tower so cooling isn't really a big issue.

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56797 05/14/08 03:02 PM 05/14/08 03:02 PM
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DV8 mopar addict Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 633 NY/NJ	Quote: GM had some problems with that system and they stopped using it. I don't know the inside scoop on the engineering reasons why they stopped using it but they did. The trapped air is the main problem and maybe that air bleed is all that is necessary. Then again, maybe they spent a bunch of time shaping the water jackets inside the heads to promote the flow of air and water? On a Mopar engine that was designed 50 years ago it seems a little too odd that a person could just change the direction of the coolant flow and not have any negative effects. Maybe there is some happy accident in the design that allows it to work that way? I've run the reverse flow setup on the dyno and haven't seen any problems but that doesn't mean the problem isn't there. We don't have this engine equipped with any type of multi-channel data logger hooked to thermocouples buried in the heads. So who knows, the exhaust valve on the #5 cylinder might be ready to melt and we wouldn't know it until too late. I've seen a few SB circle track motors that run reverse cooling and those motors tend to use external water lines and tricks like that to get the temps all balanced out. I've never invested the time to do any of those tricks. Once again, on the dyno it might not matter too much. The cooling tower is higher than the engine so air is going to get bled out of the system in the tower, and we have an huge supply of cold water flowing into the tower so cooling isn't really a big issue. I agree. The cooling system in the heads/block would probably benefit if they were made for that direction of water flow but again who's to say a Mopar design is flawed? I think the main reason for reverse cooling is for detonation prevention(hence more power ability)but mostly for engine longevity. ~S~ "The function of man is to live, not exist..."

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56798 05/14/08 05:18 PM 05/14/08 05:18 PM
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BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: Yep! Evidently Edelbrock isn't really making the Super Victor intake yet. They've been advertising them for months but nobody has them in stock and there doesn't seem to be any shipping date in the system. That's pretty much what they did w/ the first Victor 440 intakes, too. There were magazine ads for them (and eBay sellers listing them ) months before one ever got stuffed into a box by the manufacturer. Quote: Now, lets talk about the B block version of that intake!! Nothing in inventory anywhere for the B intake. I recall MP having a "blowout" deal on those things years ago, which probably depleted the inventory. I think that was about the time someone from here sent me one to throw on my flow bench, too.

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: BradH] #56799 06/06/08 03:42 PM 06/06/08 03:42 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	Edelbrock called me earlier this week and said that the Super Victor intake was on the way but it hasn't shown up yet. We bolted the motor to the dyno today and started to make some pulls with the M1 intake on there. Looks like she'll be making 660-675 hp or so. Torque peak is around 5000 rpm which is pretty high for the standard port heads. The CNC work that Modern did must really be working. I think this cam is a tad too big for the heads though. I wanted to use an even large cam so it is a good thing the guy at Comp talked me down a notch. I think had we used a little less duration the torque curve would be even fatter.

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: AndyF] #56800 06/06/08 08:15 PM 06/06/08 08:15 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	Andy, You have a quick change in there...try phasing the cam at 102 ICL, I bet you'll like the power curve a lot better and it won't feel overcammed. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 505 back together with Mancini heads [Re: Streetwize] #56801 06/06/08 08:48 PM 06/06/08 08:48 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	I might try that if we have time. We tried some different carbs today. This one is a "trick" carb that lost about 50 hp. We played with jets and air bleeds and couldn't ever get the power back to what the Holley UltraHP Dominator that I usually run makes. 4472634-AED.jpg (316 downloads)

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