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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: ebodyseast]
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04/12/08 12:27 AM
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Easy kid...I'm sorry. Pardon me all over the place. So I'm not as sharp as everyone else is.
Hmmmm..."I see said the blind man.."
The 70-71 parts catalog lists a reference #37 carb as a 383 export 2 bbl Carter for automatic as a #4730S!!
Furyman would have an absolute fit if he hought I was going to question him about this misprint!!
I think you're reading the parts book incorrectly...
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: 69CoronetRT]
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04/12/08 01:33 AM
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69CoronetRT. Glad to know you. Everytime you get in here I see you are looking for 68 383 2bbl codes off of other people's BCS. What in the world ever possesed you my new friend!! The Coronet. Ah, you see as we are cut of the same mold. Now only a week later, it is I it seems who is shaking down innocent owners this week for their BCS codes too, only for '70 383 4bbl. Lol!! You of all can at least side with me a little. What are the 2bbl codes for that you seek? Research for your Coronet? Cool bro, I'll keep my ears open. best of luck. Supplying those engine codes I never had and pics of convertible E Bodys is my treat and some of your worst nightmares. Tune out if you aren't interested. This topic hasn't had 1000+ views for nothing. I can get my Mopar friend to measure lift of old cam before replacing with my new repro from Mopar for a 383 HP - and since the motor has 100K+ it needs the fresh new cam/lifters/springs, etc. I'm sure. And since no one knows what cam you have, they only know what you want them to hear  I'll also add the new windage tray I have. The new HP cam and street hemi springs will be nice with that new windage tray. I must be looking at it incorrectly you are right. On Text page 14-11, Feul 14-30-0. There is a column full of reference numbers. It can't be now that I look closer as a 40 in the reference column is for a 383 without a/c, and my car did come with a/c. So the carb code is just like alot of the main parts wherein the last few digits of the factory part number are the actual BCS codes. Stupid reference numbers. "Why separate knob Jerry? Why?!?!" ------------------------------------------- You need the bad guy...so you can say look everybody...there's the bad guy. Well take a look...
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: ebodyseast]
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04/12/08 02:12 AM
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This is a bit confusing and does hurt the head.
I'm not sure what Furyman is saying about the E86 and E63 and orange paint. If it was a joke...I missed it. But I will laugh if I ever do get it. The only reason I brought the 440 into the discussion was its lettering system to aid in VIN id as well as a possible engine id. for 383 is easier to understand then the 383, since the M and the E62 were excluded for a reason that is beyond me .
We were discussing the 383 4bbl and its oranage paint to help us identify in one of a few different ways if it is a genuine HP engine in '70. Having an HP stamp is an obvious identifier. JDRoadRunner here said '69 & '70 engines weren't stamped HP. Is he correct?
After reading this diatribe I have come to the conclusion;NO ONE CARES!!!! Enough already, it's a cool car welcome to Moparts, but for the love of God relax.......and please sell it and buy a camaro and join  another board.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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04/12/08 04:41 AM
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m46Rat has a Gran Coupe Conv 383, 4 spd, no a/c, with a 087 engine and a 37 carb. I found this on previous thread Dan posted where '70 E body owners needed to know what carb and color engine their car came with. Most in the thread were clueless (even m46Rat) that the BCS would help them find the carb code answers or that there even was a such a thing as an engine code.
m46Rat claimed his 087 335hp orange Super Commando engine didn't have an HP stamped on the pad. Even though 087 is clearly one of the orange HP engines listed. Must not have been stamped or stamped on 'strange' place like under the head was answer given to this. I wonder if he ever did find that HP was stamped some where. Maybe a P for premium fuel instead of R for regular fuel...something!!
That makes 2 Gran Coupe's found with a 4 speed and no a/c that are confimed Super Commando engines, m46Rat's and the one Furyman posted the BCS info.
In that thread, from last year, Dan asked if anyone could add 383 4bbl engine code numbers to his list of '70 carb codes. It seems I have become the man for the job of getting his list a kick in the bleep. Seems somebody here cares, and not just me, so lighten up a bit and watch it all happen.
Also in that '70 383 carb thread, Dan claimed a carb code is on the fender tag for his July 2, 1970 383 Challenger. My car was a July 3, 1970 build. A '70 'Cuda owner who had never heard of such a code being present on a fender tag later questioned Dan who has since never replied as to proof of this carb code that is also subsequently absent from my fender tag too.
I think Dan was simply mistaken and said fender tag when he really meant to say his build sheet is where the info is kept. I've made more than my share of mistakes here already. But the picture is getting very clear and my work is soon done.
Since there is no engine code for a 4 speed and a/c that is 335hp, in the 383 engine code list provided earlier, then the non 'Cuda and non R/T 4 speed and a/c cars must have been 330hp 084 engines with a Carter and painted blue. You heard it, a blue 4 speed with a Carter!! Lol. Maybe one other than Dogpro's will surface before this thread dies out to confirm or refute my conclusion.
The only cars not found in this thread yet are:
1) no 3 speed cars have come forward with BCS documentation; either a/c or non a/c
2) no automatic non a/c cars yet either...
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: ebodyseast]
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04/12/08 06:50 AM
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Sorry to get maybe just a little bit off topic here, but I've been reading this thread and the others concerning '70 383 carbs with great interest, as I have wondered about this issue for quite a while as well.
I bought an original paint very nice survivor JS29N0E Challenger a couple of years ago, and after extensive examination, the only thing that had been changed on it was the carb. It had some mid '70s Ford application Carter on it.
Of course, I wanted to put the correct carb back on it, and I ran into some of the issues and questions found in this thread. Unfortunately, among all of the paperwork, and maybe just because this is an LA built car, there is no broadcast sheet to know for sure what the carb code is.
After some early research soon after getting the car, I made an assumption, since whoever replaced the original carb probably wanted something "close" to what was on it, so I went with a Carter 4734S...the "ECS" carb shown on some of the lists. But after doing more research and reading threads like this one, I'm not sure I made the correct choice.
The usual '70 383 carb lists I see have some ambiguities as far as this particular car is concerned, so I've been trying to find someone with a broadcast sheet with my option combination to totally be sure I go with the correct carb.
In my Oct. 69 built car, the untouched engine is orange, is stamped "HP", and has A/C. It is an automatic, with the 3.55 axle package and a "956" radiator.
Now, here is the part that is causing me the most grief...it also has N95..ECS.
Does anyone have a broadcast sheet for a 'Cuda or another R/T equipped like this? I'd love to know the carb code!
thanks
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: ebodyseast]
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04/12/08 07:27 AM
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Hey ErikR,
Thank for the heads up on the bogus B5 conv - a sister car in ways to Nigel's uncle's old BP27 B5.
Man for someone who can type a novel you should have spent some time reading it. The car I am referring to is not bogus. I said it did not have bcs or tag and may show up with them in the future.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: blue67440's]
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04/12/08 07:46 AM
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A very interesting and worthwhile thread!  Busy & longwinded, but doesn't ramble; asks for help, proof and answers. What's the problem? If some members would rather talk about the neighbor's sheep with AIDS there's the GENERAL forum.  Quote:
084 = 383/4, manual, a/c, painted blue, 330hp
085 = 383/4, auto, no a/c, blue, 330 hp
086 = 383/4, auto, a/c, blue, 330 hp
087 = 383/4, manual, no a/c, orange, 335 hp
088 = 383/4, auto, no a/c, orange, 335 hp
089 = 383/4, auto a/c, orange, 335 hp
The only way you'll ever know what your trying to find out is to have all the broadcast sheets for all the cars in question - not gonna happen.
383 manual - E & B-body - w/o ECS
... orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 084 wA/C & 087
---------- Holley R4367-A ----------part number 3418 536 (on b'cast 36)
I believe the first engine listed (084) will be an orange HP - HOLLEY 383, as there are NO '70 Carter manual trans 4bbl 383s, and a few b'cast sheets with examples of each combination would confirm or contradict the current belief or mis-understanding often associated with 383s A/C & HP.
Although the 383 4bbl 3-speed manual seems odd to be all HP (HOLLEY/orange), with few exceptions (some Chargers/Sport Satellites sleepers/insurance beaters etc.) it will only be found in 'Cuda, Challenger R/T, Super Bee & Road Runner. The new "cheaper" for 1970 base musclecars.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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04/12/08 08:26 AM
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Sorry to get maybe just a little bit off topic here, but I've been reading this thread and the others concerning '70 383 carbs with great interest, as I have wondered about this issue for quite a while as well.
I bought an original paint very nice survivor JS29N0E Challenger a couple of years ago, and after extensive examination, the only thing that had been changed on it was the carb. It had some mid '70s Ford application Carter on it.
Of course, I wanted to put the correct carb back on it, and I ran into some of the issues and questions found in this thread. Unfortunately, among all of the paperwork, and maybe just because this is an LA built car, there is no broadcast sheet to know for sure what the carb code is.
After some early research soon after getting the car, I made an assumption, since whoever replaced the original carb probably wanted something "close" to what was on it, so I went with a Carter 4734S...the "ECS" carb shown on some of the lists. But after doing more research and reading threads like this one, I'm not sure I made the correct choice.
The usual '70 383 carb lists I see have some ambiguities as far as this particular car is concerned, so I've been trying to find someone with a broadcast sheet with my option combination to totally be sure I go with the correct carb.
In my Oct. 69 built car, the untouched engine is orange, is stamped "HP", and has A/C. It is an automatic, with the 3.55 axle package and a "956" radiator.
Now, here is the part that is causing me the most grief...it also has N95..ECS.
Does anyone have a broadcast sheet for a 'Cuda or another R/T equipped like this? I'd love to know the carb code!
thanks
I think you need a holley R4218 carb, broadcast sheet code 43 - listed for 70 383 4 barrel, automitic and a/c with N95.
No, no, back the wagon up - the carb I listed above makes no mention of a/c appliaction, the only other carb on my app list is a R4369 holley, sheet code 62 and used on 383/4 with auto and a/c - but it doesn't mention N95.
Dan, what can you add to this?
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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04/12/08 08:59 AM
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 383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)..................... orange HP engine 335hp ---------- Holley R4218-A ----------part number 3418 543 on b'cast 43 I went through a bunch of b'cast sheets, this is what I have examples of: 4-speed BS E63 D21 eng-087 carb-36 BP E63 D21 eng-087 carb-36 JS E63 D21 eng-087 carb-36 JH E63 D21 eng-087 carb-36 RP E63 D21 eng-087 carb-36 XH E63 D21 eng-087 carb-36 4-speed with A/C JS E63 D21 eng-084 carb-36 automatic BS E63 D32 eng-088 carb-42 JS E63 D32 eng-088 carb-42 RM E63 D32 eng-088 carb-42 WM E63 D32 eng-088 carb-42 XP E63 D32 eng-088 carb-42 automatic with A/C BS E63 D32 eng-089 carb-62 JS E63 D32 eng-089 carb-62 RM E63 D32 eng-089 carb-62 XP E63 D32 eng-089 carb-62 automatic with N96 RM E63 D32 eng-088 carb-65
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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04/12/08 09:18 AM
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Dan, what can you add to this?
per my interpretation of the Parts Catalog ...
there are five 4bbl carbs for ECS (N95) 383s. HP & non-HP. A/C doesn't affect the carb choice.
383 manual - E & B-body - with ECS (N95).......... orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4217-A ----------part number 3418 537 on b'cast 37
383 Manual - E & B-body - with ECS (N95) & with "fresh air" (N96). orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4738-1A ----------part number 3512 974 on b'cast 74
383 automatic - E, C & B-body - with ECS (N95)................... blue engine 330hp
---------- Carter 4734S ----------part number 3418 541 on b'cast 41
383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)..................... orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4218-A ----------part number 3418 543 on b'cast 43
383 Automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95) & with "fresh air" (N96). orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4739-1A ----------part number 3512 975 on b'cast 75
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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04/12/08 09:36 AM
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I think the ...
383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)..................... orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4218-A ----------part number 3418 543 on b'cast 43
... is your only choice as the with A/C carb is listed as w/o ECS.
383 automatic - E & B-body - with A/C (H51) & w/o ECS....... orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 089
---------- Holley R4369-A ----------part number 3418 562 on b'cast 62
That was my big issue....which option took priority..wondering if the N95 trumped the A/C or not.
Thanks for your help!
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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04/12/08 10:18 AM
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Anybody have a b'cast to confirm the following carb (all 1970 "N" E63) applications/numbers?
b'cast - CARB - 37 - HOLLEY
---- California B or E body with 3/4-speed (with & without A/C)
** (Road Runner, Super Bee, 'Cuda, Challenger R/T) ??**
b'cast - CARB - 38 - Carter
---- automatic B, C or E body
** (4-door/wagon Bs, any Cs, Gran Coupes, Challenger SEs) ??**
b'cast - CARB - 40 - Carter
---- automatic B, C or E body with A/C
** (4-door/wagon Bs, any Cs, Gran Coupes, Challenger SEs) ??**
b'cast - CARB - 41 - Carter
---- California automatic B, C or E body (with & without A/C)
** (4-door/wagon Bs, any Cs, Gran Coupes, Challenger SEs) ??**
b'cast - CARB - 43 - HOLLEY
---- California automatic B or E body (with & without A/C)
** (Road Runner, Super Bee, Charger, 'Cuda, Challenger R/T) ??**
b'cast - CARB - 64 - HOLLEY
---- B-body with 3/4-speed & RAMCHARGER/AIR GRABBER
** (Road Runner, Super Bee) ??**
b'cast - CARB - 74 - HOLLEY
---- California B-body with 3/4-speed & RAMCHARGER/AIR GRABBER
** (Road Runner, Super Bee) ??**
b'cast - CARB - 75 - HOLLEY
---- California automatic B-body with RAMCHARGER/AIR GRABBER
** (Road Runner, Super Bee) ??**
Yes, No, Maybe!!!????
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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04/12/08 10:49 AM
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Anybody have a b'cast to confirm the following carb (all 1970 "N" E63) applications/numbers?
b'cast - CARB - 38 - Carter
---- automatic B, C or E body
** (4-door/wagon Bs, any Cs, Gran Coupes, Challenger SEs) ??**
Yes, No, Maybe!!!????
I've got a copy of the BCS for another JH27N0B car similiar to my car's which has a 38 carb code.
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